?To the previoius anon poster, I have one thing to say; obviously you didn't go through straight inc at th same time as I did (maybe you never were in the prgram at all).?
Obviously I didn?t, I remember no person named kpickle39, nor was I in the St. Petersburg facility.
?Straight St. Pete sounded very similar in many ways to what went on w/the Iraqi prisoners.?
No doubt, and I never contested that. I said, ?bit of a overstatement to say that people in Straight were treated worse than Iraqi prisoners. Strong, inaccurate statements like these only reduce the credibility of the people that spout them.? There are many similarities, but to say that those in Straight were treated worse than Iraqi prisoners is a drastic overstatement. It?s almost as drastic an overstatement as saying that those who attended Straight were treated worse than the Jews during the Nazi holocaust.
?No, I never had to jack off in front of someone, but my oldcomer did it in front of me; we were paraded around naked during mass strip searches, I slept on a tarraza floor for over almost 50 days.?
Sorry to hear about your inappropriate sexual encounters and living conditions in Straight.
?If you want to discuss the "finer" points of straight and the treatment of Iraqi prisoners, I am willing to do that.?
I would be willing to discuss the ?finer? points of Straight with you, however the story of abuse and Iraqi prisoners is still being uncovered, and unless you have witnessed the conditions of Iraqi prisoners personally, I doubt that you can discuss the ?finer? points of Iraqi prisons with me. We are all waiting for the full story to be uncovered.
?Why don't you just come off it and let us all know who you are? You probably weren't even in Straight or one of its related programs to even make such a profound 'judgment'. How convenient of you to post anonymously, gee thanks...?
Why should I come out and let all of you know who I am? (As if ramprato discloses who you are?) I wasn?t aware that I made any ?profound judgment?. I made an observation. One that is correct. Posting anonymously is convenient, if you do not like it that is unfortunate for you. You are welcome.
?Yes, it's true I don't remember being chained up naked with a bunch of other prisoners, or leashed around the neck like a dog. But I DO remember being led around by the pants and what kind of garbage that was. I remember the sleep deprivation, I remember the constant yelling and drilling, I remember hearing about things from other people or saying myself that whether they were true or not, belonged in psychiatrists offices and not in the public. I remember tons of extortions everyday done onto people.?
So what is the problem with my observation? You obviously agree. Iraqi prisoners are being treated worse than the majority of clients that went through Straight.
?Are you too dense, or just too damned self-seving to even SEE the pattern here? Those pictures and (soon videos) of those prisoners taken were done originally for extortion purposes to get them to 'talk'. If you were one of those assholes that fucked around with us in Straight you already know this. You know that the govt is using what they learned by people that went through Straight along with other developed brainwashing ideals to mess with those Iraqi prisoners big-time.?
Dense? I suppose that assumption is relevant to whom you speak with. Self-serving? Definitely, all humans are to a certain extent. I never disputed that there seems to be a pattern, and I fully agree that there are similarities. I am definitely an asshole, and of course I ?fucked around? with others in Straight (though not literally). Everyone that completed the program had to play a part, you as well, if you ever completed the program. I believe that the government is probably partially using research from Straight to ?mess? with the Iraqi prisoners. That is only an assumption, as I have yet to see any evidence that links Straight to Iraqi prisoners. If you have anything besides circumstantial evidence of this, which I already have plenty of; I would be interested in seeing it.
?Such dehumanization is unacceptable in any culture, but it is especially so in the Arab world religion/culture of Islam,?
I agree, and even though I know little of Arab and Islamic culture, I can accept that statement as being accurate.
?You are really some kind of sideliner. One of those people the world can always count on to sit on their hands and NEVER take any kind of action to bring out the truth. Thanks a lot for all the "help" you loser. What in the hell do you know about credibility??? Mind control is Mind control & I don't care who it's happening to, it's WRONG no matter what methods they use to achieve it either in Iraq or here.?
Yes I am a sideliner, so are most people that post on this board. You are also right in saying that I have no desire to bring out the truth. I am more concerned with picking up the pieces of shattered lives left behind by these organizations. I have offered you or any others in Straight any meaningful help, as I am not qualified to do so. Once I am qualified to do so I will. I have been a looser for quite some time, but my current track should eventually remove such statements from being accurate. I know plenty about credibility, and the more knowledge I gain the more about credibility I understand. You are obviously the one lacking knowledge as to what qualifies as credible. I agree that mind control is an unethical practice.
If people?s stories about Straight are to be believed, inaccurate statements must be excluded, especially strong statements meant solely for the purpose of agitation and inflammation. Those who have knowledge and education look for fallacy, and when it is seen, the stories are discounted. The more fallacy that is introduced, the less credible everyone?s story becomes to people. It will be very important to me that I be viewed as credible, not to survivors of Straight, but to the scientific community. That should be important to survivors of Straight as well. Do not practice self-sabotage. It harms us all.
