no jordo, perhaps he is to you but you are a very direct gimmie what i want kinda person. Ken has allways been respectable to me. for the most part we never even talk about elan. He has never forced any of his views on me, we mainly talk about hunting or wine. perhaps you should try talking to him. but hey every one cant get along with everyone, otherwise everything would suk. thats my oppinion.
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