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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2010, 12:05:01 PM »
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This is why I try to hate ALL religious people, whenever possible.

I was raised Catholic, so I hear ya on this...plus I liked (and still like) punk from the early 80's (if this doesn't tell you something, you should do your homework), but this is a sophomoric attitude when you think about it. Rage-driven, for the most part. Hell, I like Jesus jokes as much as the next free-thinking young American, but I've gotten over having senseless rage toward people who have not earned it. Don't get me wrong, some religious nuts can really get under my skin (the evangelistic types, especially), but to say I hate all religious people would not be true, not anymore.

The Christian Church is directly responsible for holding back the intellectual progress of every nation under it's influence.  How much farther along would we be if the church had not forbidden scientific research and imposed a complete monopoly on education?  They believe in a lie, period.  Lies are the enemy of truth.
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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2010, 12:17:17 PM »
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The Christian Church is directly responsible for holding back the intellectual progress of every nation under it's influence.  How much farther along would we be if the church had not forbidden scientific research and imposed a complete monopoly on education?  They believe in a lie, period.  Lies are the enemy of truth.

The church isn't the only problem with education.
I stated my belief in the separation of church and state somewhere else on here.  
Some religious people are misled about some things, and some are not.
I don't need a church to commune with God.
God is within, we are without.
God is at home, it is we that have gone out for a walk.
Only the Hand that erases can write the true thing.

The only "lie" is this world in which we now exist.
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« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2010, 12:26:37 PM »
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This is why I try to hate ALL religious people, whenever possible.

I was raised Catholic, so I hear ya on this...plus I liked (and still like) punk from the early 80's (if this doesn't tell you something, you should do your homework), but this is a sophomoric attitude when you think about it. Rage-driven, for the most part. Hell, I like Jesus jokes as much as the next free-thinking young American, but I've gotten over having senseless rage toward people who have not earned it. Don't get me wrong, some religious nuts can really get under my skin (the evangelistic types, especially), but to say I hate all religious people would not be true, not anymore.

The Christian Church is directly responsible for holding back the intellectual progress of every nation under it's influence.  How much farther along would we be if the church had not forbidden scientific research and imposed a complete monopoly on education?  They believe in a lie, period.  Lies are the enemy of truth.

From these two articles...

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/06/23/tex ... gree-suit/

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_ ... lArticle=y

Dallas-based Institute of Creation Research sought the right to grant a master’s degree in science from a biblical perspective.  Aimed at aspiring Christian schoolteachers, the curriculum critiques evolution and champions a literal interpretation of the biblical account of creation.  :eek:



And then there's this.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/educa ... texas.html

Texas Conservatives Win Curriculum Change
By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.
Published: March 12, 2010

AUSTIN, Tex. — After three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday approved a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers’ commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.

The vote was 10 to 5 along party lines, with all the Republicans on the board voting for it.

The board, whose members are elected, has influence beyond Texas because the state is one of the largest buyers of textbooks. In the digital age, however, that influence has diminished as technological advances have made it possible for publishers to tailor books to individual states.

In recent years, board members have been locked in an ideological battle between a bloc of conservatives who question Darwin’s theory of evolution and believe the Founding Fathers were guided by Christian principles, and a handful of Democrats and moderate Republicans who have fought to preserve the teaching of Darwinism and the separation of church and state.

Since January, Republicans on the board have passed more than 100 amendments to the 120-page curriculum standards affecting history, sociology and economics courses from elementary to high school. The standards were proposed by a panel of teachers.

“We are adding balance,” said Dr. Don McLeroy, the leader of the conservative faction on the board, after the vote. “History has already been skewed. Academia is skewed too far to the left.”

Battles over what to put in science and history books have taken place for years in the 20 states where state boards must adopt textbooks, most notably in California and Texas. But rarely in recent history has a group of conservative board members left such a mark on a social studies curriculum.

Efforts by Hispanic board members to include more Latino figures as role models for the state’s large Hispanic population were consistently defeated, prompting one member, Mary Helen Berlanga, to storm out of a meeting late Thursday night, saying, “They can just pretend this is a white America and Hispanics don’t exist.”

“They are going overboard, they are not experts, they are not historians,” she said. “They are rewriting history, not only of Texas but of the United States and the world.”

The curriculum standards will now be published in a state register, opening them up for 30 days of public comment. A final vote will be taken in May, but given the Republican dominance of the board, it is unlikely that many changes will be made.

The standards, reviewed every decade, serve as a template for textbook publishers, who must come before the board next year with drafts of their books. The board’s makeup will have changed by then because Dr. McLeroy lost in a primary this month to a more moderate Republican, and two others — one Democrat and one conservative Republican — announced they were not seeking re-election.

There are seven members of the conservative bloc on the board, but they are often joined by one of the other three Republicans on crucial votes. There were no historians, sociologists or economists consulted at the meetings, though some members of the conservative bloc held themselves out as experts on certain topics.

The conservative members maintain that they are trying to correct what they see as a liberal bias among the teachers who proposed the curriculum. To that end, they made dozens of minor changes aimed at calling into question, among other things, concepts like the separation of church and state and the secular nature of the American Revolution.

“I reject the notion by the left of a constitutional separation of church and state,” said David Bradley, a conservative from Beaumont who works in real estate. “I have $1,000 for the charity of your choice if you can find it in the Constitution.”

They also included a plank to ensure that students learn about “the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s, including Phyllis Schlafly, the Contract With America, the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and the National Rifle Association.”

Dr. McLeroy, a dentist by training, pushed through a change to the teaching of the civil rights movement to ensure that students study the violent philosophy of the Black Panthers in addition to the nonviolent approach of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He also made sure that textbooks would mention the votes in Congress on civil rights legislation, which Republicans supported.

“Republicans need a little credit for that,” he said. “I think it’s going to surprise some students.”

Mr. Bradley won approval for an amendment saying students should study “the unintended consequences” of the Great Society legislation, affirmative action and Title IX legislation. He also won approval for an amendment stressing that Germans and Italians as well as Japanese were interned in the United States during World War II, to counter the idea that the internment of Japanese was motivated by racism.

Other changes seem aimed at tamping down criticism of the right. Conservatives passed one amendment, for instance, requiring that the history of McCarthyism include “how the later release of the Venona papers confirmed suspicions of communist infiltration in U.S. government.” The Venona papers were transcripts of some 3,000 communications between the Soviet Union and its agents in the United States.

Mavis B. Knight, a Democrat from Dallas, introduced an amendment requiring that students study the reasons “the founding fathers protected religious freedom in America by barring the government from promoting or disfavoring any particular religion above all others.”

It was defeated on a party-line vote.

After the vote, Ms. Knight said, “The social conservatives have perverted accurate history to fulfill their own agenda.”

In economics, the revisions add Milton Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek, two champions of free-market economic theory, among the usual list of economists to be studied, like Adam Smith, Karl Marx and John Maynard Keynes. They also replaced the word “capitalism” throughout their texts with the “free-enterprise system.”

“Let’s face it, capitalism does have a negative connotation,” said one conservative member, Terri Leo. “You know, ‘capitalist pig!’ ”

In the field of sociology, another conservative member, Barbara Cargill, won passage of an amendment requiring the teaching of “the importance of personal responsibility for life choices” in a section on teenage suicide, dating violence, sexuality, drug use and eating disorders.

“The topic of sociology tends to blame society for everything,” Ms. Cargill said.

Even the course on world history did not escape the board’s scalpel.

Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)

“The Enlightenment was not the only philosophy on which these revolutions were based,” Ms. Dunbar said.
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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2010, 12:33:31 PM »
Interesting stuff, but the thread is about Islam....

Funny how we start talking about Christianity whenever the subject of violent Islam comes up.

Maybe you guys could find it in your hearts to stop kissing the ass of politically correct America and address the topic for a change?
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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2010, 12:38:24 PM »
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Interesting stuff, but the thread is about Islam....

Funny how we start talking about Christianity whenever the subject of violent Islam comes up.

Maybe you guys could find it in your godforsaken hearts to stop kissing the ass of politically correct America and address the topic for a change?  :rofl:


It's totally related.  You guys are acting like Islam is the only violent religion.  We're disagreeing with that and saying that they're ALL violent.  I'm as sick as you are of political correctness.  It's not about that, for me at least.  It's about people seemingly (not just you guys) trying to get me to hate every single Muslim simply because they're Muslim.  WWJD?  Do you think he would advocate hating or killing all Muslims?
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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2010, 12:39:31 PM »
Shit, start a "I hate all Muslims" thread if you don't want to hear any disagreement.
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« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2010, 04:16:54 PM »
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It's about people seemingly (not just you guys) trying to get me to hate every single Muslim simply because they're Muslim.  & Shit, start a "I hate all Muslims" thread if you don't want to hear any disagreement.

That is not the point at all - not as far as I'm concerned - and I suspect most others with realistic views of Islam will say much the same.
I do not hate Muslims. Not even a little bit. I hate Islam. I feel the vast majority of people living under Islamic rule to be as helpless and victimized as the Cambodians under Pol Pot, or the Russians under Stalin. They are trapped in a ruthless totalitarian system that murders anyone who expresses a thought or preforms a deed that is non-supporting of Mohamed and/or Alah. Islam is evil.
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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2010, 04:46:56 PM »
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It's about people seemingly (not just you guys) trying to get me to hate every single Muslim simply because they're Muslim.  & Shit, start a "I hate all Muslims" thread if you don't want to hear any disagreement.

That is not the point at all - not as far as I'm concerned - and I suspect most others with realistic views of Islam will say much the same.
I do not hate Muslims. Not even a little bit. I hate Islam. I feel the vast majority of people living under Islamic rule to be as helpless and victimized as the Cambodians under Pol Pot, or the Russians under Stalin. They are trapped in a ruthless totalitarian system that murders anyone who expresses a thought or preforms a deed that is non-supporting of Mohamed and/or Alah. Islam is evil.

I do not hate Jews, I only hate judaism. Its followers have proven to be the most racist people who ever lived. They drop American made bombs on muslim schools and day-care centers. Murdering innocents deliberately while dismissing it all as "collateral damage". Judaism teaches its followers that they are the true master race - hand picked by god to rule. Did you guys know that judaism teaches its followers that its perfectly ok and not a sin at all to lie to non-Jews. In fact Judaism is one of the only religions I know of that pre-forgives wrongdoing. Do what you want, its already forgiven! I don't hate Jews though. I just hate Judaism. It is the most evil religion of them all.
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« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2010, 05:03:45 PM »
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You guys are acting like Islam is the only violent religion.

How am I "acting like" Islam is the only violent religion? Show me where I said anything like that; pics or it didn't happen. Anyway we've been talking about the danger Islam presents in this day and time. We all know Christianity doesn't have the best track record (thanks to those who hijack Christianity to their own ends). We get that.

No, Jesus would not advocate the use of unnecessary violence. In a perfect world, America should just get the hell out of the Middle East, cut off all economic ties with them whatsoever (we don't need no hands across the sea), and find another way to fuel our cars. Let the Arabs go, like the plague. Of course, the administration will not do this when there is so much blood money to be taken from the Saudi government; we have been in bed with them for far too long now for that to happen, unless something extremely revolutionary takes place within the power structure of our own country.

Meanwhile I guess we should just keep kissing their collective ass, talk about how other religions are violent too, and let them continue to run Christians off the street. Maybe we'll even help them set up internment camps.
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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2010, 09:46:06 AM »
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You guys are acting like Islam is the only violent religion.

How am I "acting like" Islam is the only violent religion? Show me where I said anything like that; pics or it didn't happen.

Point taken....I guess it just felt that way to me.

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Anyway we've been talking about the danger Islam presents in this day and time. We all know Christianity doesn't have the best track record (thanks to those who hijack Christianity to their own ends). We get that.

I don't think it's just because of the hijacking.....it's written in the text, just as it is in damn near every religious text, with the possible exception of Buddhism, but I'm not that familiar with their text.

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No, Jesus would not advocate the use of unnecessary violence. In a perfect world, America should just get the hell out of the Middle East, cut off all economic ties with them whatsoever (we don't need no hands across the sea), and find another way to fuel our cars. Let the Arabs go, like the plague.  Of course, the administration will not do this when there is so much blood money to be taken from the Saudi government; we have been in bed with them for far too long now for that to happen, unless something extremely revolutionary takes place within the power structure of our own country.

I couldn't agree more.

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Meanwhile I guess we should just keep kissing their collective ass, talk about how other religions are violent too, and let them continue to run Christians off the street.

See, now that's where I get confused.  I'm not seeing anything close to that.  It reminds me of this pic....



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Maybe we'll even help them set up internment camps.

It seems that a lot of people here (in this country, not Fornits) would like to set them up for all Muslims.
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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #70 on: November 03, 2010, 06:04:13 PM »
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Shit, start a "I hate all Muslims" thread if you don't want to hear any disagreement.


Disagreement... As long as it is based on reality, I'm all for it.

Please... Disagree.

There may be good Muslims, but there is no good Islam.
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Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2010, 11:13:16 AM »
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Shit, start a "I hate all Muslims" thread if you don't want to hear any disagreement.


Disagreement... As long as it is based on reality, I'm all for it.

Please... Disagree.

There may be good Muslims, but there is no good Islam.

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