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« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2005, 12:04:00 AM »
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The death certificate says it was due to the use of Ritalin used for ADHD.


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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2005, 12:09:00 AM »
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The death certificate says it was due to the use of Ritalin used for ADHD.




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Sheesh, can't handle the truth that Ritalin kills kids, eh?  Well ... let's just hope you don't have any kids of your own b/c ignorance is not a good thing when it comes to parenting.

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« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2005, 12:10:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-27 15:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Each family should just say no

to medication therapy, if they

do not want it.



Are these people saying no?"


Hello?  Kids can't just say no to legalized drugs shoved down their throats by their dumbass parents.
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« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2005, 08:12:00 PM »
Today his show was about ADD,
medications or not.

Her recommended a book:

The ADD Answer

By Frank Lewis and Phil McGraw
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« Reply #79 on: October 13, 2005, 08:07:00 AM »
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« Reply #80 on: October 25, 2005, 12:10:00 PM »
FDA Withdraws Approval for ADD Drug
WASHINGTON (AP) - The FDA has withdrawn approval for a drug used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder because it has been associated with liver problems, including death, agency officials said Monday.  

The move means drug manufacturers will no longer produce generic versions of pemoline, which was developed by Abbott Laboratories and sold under the name Cylert. Abbott discontinued the drug earlier this year, but generic versions
have remained available.

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FDA is not recalling the drug, instead allowing pharmacies to sell their remaining stock as doctors still using it switch patients to alternative treatments, the agency said in a statement.

The lack of a recall drew fire from the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.

``It is reckless and insensitive to the health and lives of children and adults using this drug for the FDA and the involved drug companies to fail to institute an immediate recall of these dangerous products,'' said Drs. Sidney Wolfe and Peter Lurie, who lead the organization's Health Research Group, in a letter to the FDA.

In a statement, the FDA said it has 13 reports of liver failure resulting in transplant or death among people who took the drug, which has been available for 30 years. There are additional reports of less serious problems.

Although that is a small number, it is well above what the normal rate of such problems among the general population, the FDA said.

``FDA has concluded that the risk of liver failure with this drug outweighs the potential benefits,'' the agency statement says, noting that alternative treatments for ADD have come on the market since pemoline was introduced.

The drug acts as a stimulant to the central nervous system.
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The nonprofit group Public Citizen petitioned the FDA yesterday to remove Cylert -- including all generic versions of the drug -- citing an increased risk of serious liver problems and death from liver failure.

The petition says that as of May 1996, Cylert had caused 13 cases of acute liver failure, resulting in death or liver transplantation in 11 cases. The petition also says that from 1975-1996, there were 193 "adverse drug reactions involving the liver in patients younger than 20 years old."
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« Reply #81 on: October 25, 2005, 02:38:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-27 15:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Each family should just say no

to medication therapy, if they

do not want it.



Are these people saying no?"


Sometimes that works. Sometimes they get threatened or charged w/ medical neglect for saying no. Most of the time they're young and illinformed (or misinformed) and they just do whatever the experts tell them to do.

Many times, something as simple and obvious as eliminating excessive sugar, dyes and additives from a kid's diet could work better than speed. But, crazy as this sounds, most people wouldn't even think to try it. If the teacher and the guidance counselor and the shrink all say the kid needs speed, why then the kid must need speed, right?

What's worse? Too often, the 'dysfunction' they're trying to treat is not a dysfunction at all. It's more like a normal, healthy (if inconvenient) response by an imature kid to being forced to behave like a 40yo professional.


...the coercive collectivist State is distinctly uninterested in the cultivation of intelligence and wisdom. This is understandable...for the State has no uses to which persons of intelligence and wisdom can be put.
--Albert Jay Nock.

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« Reply #82 on: October 25, 2005, 03:32:00 PM »
I'm not an expert, I'll admit that.

But I do have good common sense and I have been around a while. Enough to know that something is very wrong when so many children need to be medicated. Or should I say, when so many parents and doctors believe kids should be medicated.

I don't know about any of you, but I graduated in the early 70's from high school and I don't recall kids being diagnosed as ADD, ADHD, ODD, etc. OK, kids were not perfect then. But they were kids. There were kids with problems, I will admit that. But it was in vogue to send them away to be fixed like it is today. I realize there were programs like Straight, Inc., that did exist and they were horrible. Worse than that. But I don't think there were as many programs, is what I'm trying to say. I don't think as many kids were being sent away. At least I personally never knew of any.

What I don't get is why parents feel that they aren't capable of solving their own problems with their own children. Why do so many feel they need to seek outside help when so many times they could resolve problems on their own with some love, kindness, understanding, and guidance. I think that's what kids of today are looking for. Not much to ask, really.

I still go back to the fact that parents of today are so busy dealing with their own emotion shit that they don't have much left for their kids. I could be wrong, it's just the impression I'm being left with. I'm not trying to blame it all on the parents, please don't get me wrong. Kids need to be accountable for their actions as well. I just think that many cases point back to the parents and their parenting, or lack thereof, of their children.

I'm a parent and I know that there have been times in my life when I was dealing with my own personal problems. During those times I felt I was not as attentive to the needs of my children. Lucky for me those times didn't last long and I was able to refocus on the kids again. But in so many cases that simply is not the case, such as when there is a divorce, etc.

And part of this is that drug companies are out there to make money and they'll do so at any cost. We should all know that by now. It's not a matter of thinking what the long-term effects will be on the people taking the drugs, it's a matter of thinking how much money can we make off this drug and how can we market it to be most effective.
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« Reply #83 on: October 25, 2005, 03:34:00 PM »
From above: But it was in vogue to send them away to be fixed like it is today./////

Oooops, I meant to say "but it was NOT in vogue to ....."  ::rocker::
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« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2005, 10:14:00 PM »
ADHD (ADD has been officially dropped) is nothing more than society more narrowly defining what behavior is acceptable. That places a higher percentage children out of the acceptable bounds. They are then diagnosed.

One poster described how things used be different in the 1970s. I would like to add that less was expected of kids back then. Kindergarden was a half day and we did not learn to read until first grade. We had more recess and far less homework. Bs and Cs were good enough, after all, a C was average. It was okay to be an average kid. Now every kid is expected to be the next Steve Jobs.

I took my kid to school one Monday and the teacher was concerned because he did not have his weekend homework done. I asked her if she really expected a third-grader to do this by himself. She said, "We expect a certain level of parental involvement." I said, "So, you are giving ME homework!" I cannot imagine my parents doing homework with me.

84% of the children diagnosed as ADHD are boys. Fidgety, active, motion detectors, that were never designed to sit still at a desk for eight hours straight.

I received my son's progress report last week. All Es (excellent) and Ss (satisfactory) on the left side list (math, science, reading, etc.). On the right side under Character were all Is (needs improvement) in things like; follows directions, personal appearance, works independently, etc.  I was pleased. It was perfect. He is smart and rebellious.

The best part was the teacher's comment that my son is "physically inappropriate" with other students. I asked her what that meant. I expected her to say he was hitting other kids. She told me, "He hugs his friends in the halls." WTF!?
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« Reply #86 on: October 26, 2005, 12:01:00 AM »
Fortunately, my son attends a private school. It is an inner-city school with a very diverse attendance and so the school and parents tend to be fairly tolerant of different cultures and attitudes. I don't think he is at risk of expulsion. We pay the bills.
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« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2005, 01:41:00 AM »
Wow, AA. You hit some things right on. It's amazing what is expected of children nowadays, just wasn't like that in the old days.

I can remember 5th and 6th grades. I got the dreaded teacher in 5th. She was strict, later became the principal. Just when I thought I'd managed to get through it she decided to teach 6th. I got her again. I spent many a day sitting in the hallway for talking too much with friends. Wow, I wonder what they would do to me today? I wonder what kind of diagnoses they could pin on me? Back then, it was normal girl behavior, I wasn't the only one sitting in the hall.

And the boys. They were just gross most of the time. Of course I was a girl, boys had cooties back them. Seriously, most of them were obnoxious in some way, always fidgety, noisy, doing something they should not be doing. Ya, they got disciplined but they weren't taken to the school psychiatrist. They were considered normal boys. I remember one kid, Johnnie, he was quiet and always good. He never, and I mean never did anything wrong. His nose was always in a book, he always listened to the teacher, he always raised his hand and had the right answers. Guess what? Everyone thought he was really weird, including the teacher!

Parents, please let your kids be kids and stop over analyzing them. Don't let others control how you should be raising your kids. If you do it with love, respect, and kindness, I just don't think you can go wrong. It's not all that hard, really.

It's a given that kids are going to misbehave, that they are going to get into trouble, that they are going to explore their world in ways that we parents would rather they not do. But remember back when we were kids? We explored too, and most of us (not all of us, that's for sure) were not sent to a program, we weren't sent to a psychiatrist, we weren't drugged. I know some were, but nothing like today.

Every time I turn around I hear a parent say their child was just diagnosed with ADHD and now they're on Ritalin, or some other drug. I shake my head and wonder why? And if not ADHD, then it's Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ODD), or any of the other new diagnoses.

I wonder if parents are trying other things before agreeing to drugging their children?

I wonder if they have considered the possibility that the child might have food allergies? Do they know that many kids are allergic to milk, to wheat, to food coloring, and that those allergies can mimic the symptoms of ADHD and other conditions like ODD?

Do parents know that a child's environment may be making him ill? Too many antibiotics, chemicals, molds, the list goes on?

If parents would send their child to a naturopathic doctor instead of an MD, one that would actually spend time with the child to figure out what is wrong, rather than quickly concluding they have this or that condition, and dealing with the problems rather than drugging the child, I think there would be a lot less Ritalin being handed out. Of course the drug companies wouldn't like that. They're lovin' it.
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« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2005, 03:19:00 AM »
Well, AA, I don't know how different it was really in the 70s. I was diagnosed in the 70s with ADD, too, except that it wasn't called that then, it was called hyperactivity disorder. I was put on ritalin, and then taken off, because I couldn't eat or sleep. They tried all of these other meds, too, but none of them helped. Maybe diagnosing and medicating children wasn't as widespread as it is now, but it was certainly present.
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« Reply #89 on: October 26, 2005, 11:51:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-26 00:19:00, sorry... try another castle wrote:

"Well, AA, I don't know how different it was really in the 70s. I was diagnosed in the 70s with ADD, too, except that it wasn't called that then, it was called hyperactivity disorder. I was put on ritalin, and then taken off, because I couldn't eat or sleep. They tried all of these other meds, too, but none of them helped. Maybe diagnosing and medicating children wasn't as widespread as it is now, but it was certainly present.
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That's interesting. I'm fairly well read and never even heard of ADHD when I was a kid. We labled some kids 'hyperactive' only as a tease. I don't think I knew anyone who took meds.

I remember getting hit with a wooden paddle for talking when I was not supposed to. That was in 6th grade. One good, hard swack to the butt. It hurt, too. I thought then, and still do, that it was an excessive punishment for whispering to my neighbor. It was my first offense. There was no warning. I told my Dad about it. He knew the teacher and said the guy was an asshole, but he did not do anything about it.
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