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Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2008, 10:17:33 AM »
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After more than a decade as a single self-sufficient professional, I met Arnie Waldman, who later became my husband.

Hey!! Arnie Waldman?!! Would that be the same Arnie Waldman mentioned at the end of a recent Mankind Project publication put out by its Greater Washington branch??!!

Quote from: "Ed Modell, Passionate Buffalo (October 2007 issue of Bullskin, p14)"
...As Ritual Elder, I felt uplifted by the elder energy and I judge the rest of the staff and the initiates were as well. So I conclude by thanking the men who contributed their elder energy, many of whom also contributed their observations to this article: Clinton Anderson, James Brown, Michael Clawson, David Dozier, Mike Fallon, Mike Harrison, Todd Lowenberg, Randy Marks, David Morgenstein, Max Sampson, James Stamps, Arnie Waldman, Richard Warren, Mike Weiner, and Eric Weinstein.

There is also the seeming coincidence of the name Mike Weiner. Although it isn't the most unusual of names, I find it interesting that it also shows up on Lee Mortenson and Carol Kirkland's (Relationship Training, LLC) Testimonials page:

"…the work helped to balance me and center me.
It wasn't a lightning strike out of the sky kind of
thing, it was gentle and intuitive work, and it let
me release more of the stuff I carry with me." 

Mike Weiner, CEO, Olney, Maryland
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Re: HAPA -- Party Time !!
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2008, 11:59:46 AM »
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At the behest of Passionate Buffalo, I come with many Brother Dancers to seek audience with the Galled One. I wish to mine the gold from his shadow. Is it "bend-over-Joe" time yet?     


  Do not speak ill of a brother mason, and please don't lump us in with Robert Blye drum beating mens circles.  We are a time honored fraternal order based on the wisdom of Solomon.  Plus the Shriners are fun at parades.
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Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2008, 01:29:47 PM »
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There is also the seeming coincidence of the name Mike Weiner. Although it isn't the most unusual of names, I find it interesting that it also shows up on Lee Mortenson and Carol Kirkland's (Relationship Training, LLC) Testimonials page:

"…the work helped to balance me and center me.
It wasn't a lightning strike out of the sky kind of
thing, it was gentle and intuitive work, and it let
me release more of the stuff I carry with me." 

Mike Weiner, CEO, Olney, Maryland

The Mike Weiner connection is interesting--and its definitely the same guy--cause he is a professional propagandist. I did a little web snooping and came up with this "press release":

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
New Partnership Created
MusicOnHold.com and The Image Generators agree to marketing partnership

July 1, 2006- Advertising on-hold services (Telemmercials®) provided by The Image Generators have received a new national boost in sales, as the Company announced today it has affiliated with MusicOnHold.com, a major portal for businesses. President and CEO Michael J. Weiner announced the new arrangement, saying, "The advertising on-hold benefits to businesses are being recognized by marketers, and many times their first stop is an internet search for music on-hold. MusicOnHold.com has established itself as the forerunner in lead generation referrals to The Image Generators. The affiliation has provided our Company with a dramatic increase in sales opportunities as we move forward in our growth path."

The Image Generators was founded in 1985, and delivers high quality voice-over, recording, audio and video services to clients in a diverse range of size, from Fortune 100 to 'mom and pop' businesses. The Company has grown to include several high powered senior advertising, public relations and marketing communications experts. It is under contract with GSA for Advertising and Integrated Marketing Services, and is a qualified small, veteran-owned business.

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For More Information Contact:

The Image Generators
18156 Darnell Drive, Olney, MD 20832
Tel: 301-924-5700
FAX: 240-363-0062
Internet: info@imagegenerators.com

Visualize Erick To Health Hypnosis

Written by Joe Mancini, Narrated by Mike Weiner, this 10 minute piece will help visualize health and healing towards MKP GW Administrator Erick Hoopes, who is in hospital with cardiac issues awaiting... Don't do your own brain surgery... or your own Podcast... if you want to survive!

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Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2008, 05:36:41 PM »
Okay... Rehash Moment, since there is such a huge load of material to digest thus far... Feel free to correct me if I am wrong 'bout any of the following:

The current HAPA National Coordinators (husband and wife) appear to be part of a small group of "relationship coaches" who practice the "Moseley Method of Intimacy Training." This group appears to have multiple links to The Mankind Project, which is thought -- by some -- to be a cult given its Werner Erhard/est ancestry amongst other features. The current HAPA National Coordinators are, moreover, conducting a series of workshops on the Hyde boarding school campuses this year. The workshops have to do with various aspects of relationships, parenting, blended families, and the like...
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OH MAN, WHAT KIND OF PROJECT IS THIS?
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2008, 02:01:16 PM »
Here's an article from midwestoutreach.org that gives a bit more insight as to what actually goes on at MKP, as well as some info as to its origins and philosophical evolution from other LGATs. I imagine that the religious focus of the original publisher has a lot to do with the number of quotes from the Bible at the article's end; however, this may very well reflect Roggeman's personal philosophy as well.

    Midwest Christian Outreach, Inc.
    Journal; Winter 2006, pp8-10
    [/list]

    ==========================================

    OH MAN, WHAT KIND OF PROJECT IS THIS?
    EXPOSING THE INDECENT EXPOSURE OF THE MANKIND PROJECT
    By Mark Roggeman


    Aside from the obvious physical differences, there is a marked contrast in how men and women relate to their friends. For example: If Laura, Suzanne, Debra and Rose go out for lunch, they will call each other Laura, Suzanne, Debra and Rose. But if Mike, Charlie, Bob, and John go out to grab a bite, they will affectionately refer to each other as Fat Boy, Godzilla, Peanut-Head, and Useless. When the bill arrives, Fat Boy, Godzilla, Peanut-Head, and Useless each will throw in $20--even though the tab is only for $22.50. None of them will have anything smaller, and none will actually admit they want change back. When the girls get their bill, out come the pocket calculators.    

    A man has six items in his bathroom: a toothbrush, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel from the Holiday Inn. It seems like the average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 337. A man would not be able to identify many of these items.    

    When it comes to children, a woman seems to be all knowing. She knows about dentist appointments and romances, best friends, favorite foods, secret fears, hopes, and dreams. A man is vaguely aware of some short people living in the house.1

    The Vanishing Manly Man  

    Over the last 30 years or so, there seems to be an increasing concern that men have forgotten, or more to the point, not had role models to demonstrate manhood. To solve this "crisis" both inside and outside the church, books have been written and groups have arisen to guide and train men in being manly.

    One such group is the Mankind Project (MKP) which is an international men's network of interdependent centers with members in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and other countries. The primary instructional tool of this organization is called the New Warrior Training Adventure (NWTA)--a weekend retreat where the supposed goal is to empower men to regain their masculinity. In 1985, Rich Tosi, Bill Kauth, and Ron Hering came together, whose collective backgrounds and influences contributed to the creation of the Mankind Project.    

    Tosi's background was in the United States Marines as a captain who served in Vietnam. He brought a military influence to the MKP training. Kauth, who has a Master's Degree in Psychology and was a self-styled feminist, is the author of A Circle of Men: The Original Manual for Men's Support Groups--the training manual for men's support groups. Hering's contribution was his ability to instruct others to become effective leaders. He had a doctorate in education and was a teacher, seminar leader, and professional coach.    

    The New Warrior Training Adventure weekend is the compilation of several other human-potential seminars spanning four decades. Kauth attended a seminar called Understanding Yourself and Others (UYO), where he met Tosi who was one of the facilitators. UYO was started by David Durovy and his wife, Patricia. Durovy became an initiate of the first New Warrior Training Adventure. Kauth, Tosi, and Hering attended a workshop called Men, Sex, and Power in California offered by Justin Sterling. These weekends are currently called Sterling Seminars. The techniques learned there are a major part of the NWTA. Sterling was an early disciple of Werner Erhard who founded what was then known as Erhard Seminars Training (EST). Today, EST has transformed itself into the Landmark Forum. Men, Sex, and Power (Sterling Seminars) was the outgrowth of Sterling's training with EST. Kauth's experience with Gestalt psychology was added to the NWTA.2

    Training the Trainers  

    MKP history comes through a long line of Human-Potential Movements that began in the 1960's. It started with Mind Dynamics by Alexander Everett who arrived in America in 1962 from England and lived in Missouri for a year and then moved to Forth Worth, Texas where he helped establish a private boarding school. Everett's Mind Dynamics was influenced through his involvement with Unity Ministry in England, Edgar Casey's work, Theosophy, Rosicrucianism, Egyptology, and Silva Mind Control.3    

    William Penn Patrick was a student of Everett. He used both Mind Dynamics and the Silva Mind Control Method in his pyramid sales organization called Holiday Magic. He also started another organization called Leadership Dynamics which proved to be detrimental to people. The information on this is detailed in a book called The Pit: A Group Encounter Defiled by Gene Church. According to Church, the hard-hitting, confrontational group encounters went out of control. As a result, lawsuits were filed which caused both organizations to shut down.4  

    Many of the instructors from these two groups went on to found their own organizations using many of the same behavior-modification techniques. The goals were to bring people to their highest potential and to overcome their fears. Their method was to break them down by screaming insults at them in order to have them face their fears. The theory behind this abusiveness was that, in order to change one's behavior, one must be brought down to zero in order to build them up again.  

    The following list of instructors from Mind Dynamics illustrates the flow of how these groups began and the direct influence each had on the other. Bob White, Randy Revell, Charlene Afremow, John Hanley founded Lifespring in 1974.5 Werner Erhard founded EST in 1971 which evolved into The Forum. Bob White left Lifespring, went to Japan, and started a training organization there called Life Dynamics. Randy Revell left Lifespring and founded the Context Trainings. Charlene Afremow joined Erhard's organization as a trainer. She later left in a dispute and is now back at Lifespring. Howard Nease founded Personal Dynamics. Jim Quinn founded Lifestream. Thomas Willhite founded PSI World Seminars. Stewart Emery worked for EST and later founded Actualizations. William Penn Patrick's training organization recovered and is known today as Leadership Dynamics.6 Justin Sterling was an early disciple of Werner Erhard who started the weekend conference (Men, Sex, and Power) today known as Sterling Seminars.

    Embracing The New Age  

    Another major influence for the New Warrior Training Adventure for MKP is Robert Bly's writings and his influence on the men's movement. On the back cover of the training manual for leaders on the NWTA called The Circle of Men, Kauth credits Bly's influence. It states that the "wild man weekends" are inspired by the mythopoetic writings and personal testimonies of Robert Bly, Sam Keen and John Lee. It goes on to say that they followed Bly's practical advice he gave to gatherings of men to form small groups. Bly is quoted extensively in their writings. Bly has attended several of the weekends and continues to support MKP. Much of the Native American Indian Spiritualism and rituals performed at the NWTA weekends comes directly from Bly and the works of Carl G. Jung. Several books written by Bly are also used: Iron John, Little Book on the Human Shadow, and The Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart Poems for Men.  

    Some men are introduced to the weekend through informational classes that were held at Christian churches. In most cases, the church rented out their facility and were likely not aware of what this group is about. Inquiries from spouses and families came in due to personality changes that occurred in the men after they became involved with MKP.  

    In April 2003, three separate interviews were conducted with men who were participants a NWTA weekend and then spent time in MKP attending the small groups. One of these men was a facilitator and assisted at several weekend trainings. All these men requested that their names not be mentioned, as every man must sign an agreement stating that nothing can be said about what goes on. (This should be a giant red flag.) The current price for the NWTA weekend is $650.00 with a $100.00 deposit in advance. In Colorado and around the country, these trainings take place in the mountains at various retreat places.

    Introduction To Warrior Work
     
    The Mankind Project

      A non-profit organization and network of independent centers working together to heal the world one man at a time.
    Mission
      We empower men to missions to service.
    Identity Statement
      We are an order of men called to reclaim the sacred masculine for our time; through initiation, training, and action in the world.
    Core Organizing and Guiding Principle
      We empower the evolution of consciousness in each man in our culture.
    Principles of Our Order
      1.) I create my own perception of reality.
      2.) My outer reality exists as a reflection of my inner world.
      3.) Higher states of consciousness exist and reflect greater abilities to manifest my inner reality.
      4.) Higher states of consciousness embody a life of service, compassion, and unconditional love.
      5.) My work towards higher consciousness starts within.
      6.) My inner work begins with awareness of feelings which become the doorway for discovering and owning my shadows and wounds.
      7.) Healing of my wounds comes from releasing my judgments and forgiving from my heart.
      8.) My personal life mission becomes my guiding force that transcends my wounds and moves me beyond healing into joyous service.
      9.) I take personal responsibility and am accountable for living in integrity with my mission.
    Principles Poetically Put
      We empower men to manifest their potential fully and joyfully, trusting that they will create the healthy solutions needed by our society and planet.
    7[/list]

    A Typical Men's Weekend    

    Upon arrival on Friday evening, each man is SMUDGED with burned incense that is placed on sage sticks. This is an American Indian ritual that is done to cleanse and keep the evil sprits away. It is claimed this ritual washes away the cares and negative energy of the day. As the men arrive, the facilitators greet them by shouting several times the question, "WHY ARE YOU HERE?" The facilitators look directly into their eyes and tell each man they have power you don't even know about. All who were interviewed related that it seemed to be very similar to a recruit's introduction to boot camp. The men arrive on Friday at different times due to their own schedules ranging from late afternoon until evening. While the men wait for the others to arrive, they are directed to sit in a dark room, told to be silent, and not to grin or laugh. Some of the men sat in this room for over two hours as they waited for all to arrive.    

    Once everyone arrived, each man had to go through two stations. At the first station, they were asked in a loud voice, "Are you ready to change your life forever?" They were told that they had to give up all jewelry and electronic devices they brought with them. At the second station, each man was told that they were no longer to be called by their name. They were given a number and told they would be called that number throughout the weekend. They were then asked if they had given up all their jewelry and electronic devices at the first station. They were told, if they still had any of these things, to empty their pockets and place the items on the table. Several times men had electric razors in their possession; they were called liars and loudly ridiculed. The facilitators were yelling at them saying, "Can't you understand?" There were times when the group leaders would let someone go past the first station purposely with jewelry and electronic devices and set them up to be humiliated at the second station.

    There was a one-to-one ratio of a group leaders and new participants. The new recruits to manhood had very little time alone. Very little food was provided the first two days except for snacks such as apples and nuts. On Sunday just before they left, a banquet was provided in honor of their graduation. The activities went well into the night which did not leave much time for sleep.  

    On Saturday, there were classes centered on the philosophy of what it means to be a man and a warrior. They were told how men have been emasculated by society and by the women in their lives. It was explained that this was because many of our fathers abandoned us emotionally; the result is that men were raised by their mothers who also emasculated them. They said that women do not know how to raise a boy to be a man--that they should be taught and raised by men. The claim is that the real goal of a man is to be a warrior and, in many cases, their mothers and wives held them back from their full potential to be a man. The main objective, then, is to regain the power that was taken away from men. Women, it seems, are the ever-present enemy.  

    They are encouraged in sessions to share about times they were shamed while growing up. These are wounds that were hidden and now need to be dealt with. At one session, a male phallic symbol was passed around signifying what it means to be a man; they were encouraged to talk about sexual experiences.

    Saturday afternoon, the "Trust Walk" takes place. This involves the men going on a walk in the nude wearing only shoes and a blindfold. This is to promote trust in the leaders in following someone blindly for about an hour. When they returned from the walk, many of the previous graduates of the NWTA showed up. The men, still naked, now were dancing to the sound of drums. The object of this is to get all your inhibitions out. They allege if you can do this, you can do anything and regain your lost power. Every man was given an Indian neck pouch along with an animal name that best described each man's character. They were called by this animal name from this point on.

    Several times over the weekend, the men formed a circle and ritual invocations were repeated out loud welcoming the energy of the East, South, West, North, and Mother Earth. The purpose of the invocation, as defined in the Facilitators Guide Protocol Manual (The New Warrior Initiation Adventure), is to extend a ritual invitation for ancestral, archetypal energies to join with and strengthen the container (the man making the invocation). This ritual's purpose is to bring men to a place where they can do "inner" work. To affectively do inner work requires a departure from the normal limits of our rational minds. To accomplish this, the participants invite the energies of those who passed on, their ancestors, their fathers, and grandfathers. They call on the energies of the masculine archetypes, the Lover, the Warrior, the Magician, and the King to ground them in the sacred masculine. They call on the seven energies represented by the seven directions of the medicine wheel. This is derived from the tradition of Native American Indians, which is believed to renew our experience with the ancient wisdom of the relatedness of all beings, the unity of all things.8

    Test All Things  

    It is plain to see that this is not a movement a Christian man should be involved in. Mankind Project does not present itself as Christian, but it does insist that men from all faiths can benefit from the training. The whole premise is based on man regaining his power that was lost and finding his masculinity. Some men, after being involved with MKP for some time, understandably developed an attitude against their mothers and wives. They blamed them for being the cause of not reaching their full potential as men.    

    In Scripture, we are told "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31, 32) For the believer, this should be our heart's desire to abide and focus on Jesus not focusing on ourselves. We should not dwell on the things of our past but look to Christ. Paul says in relation to himself, "Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead." (Phil. 3:13, 14) Also Hebrews 12:1,2: "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."9    


    Mark Roggeman has been involved in outreach to those affected by cults and other highdemand groups for a period of 30 years. He has assisted with exit-counseling individuals trapped in cults and provides support for the families with loved ones who are involved in cults. He has served as a police officer in Denver, Colorado for the past 34 years and assists other law-enforcement agencies with information and training on cults.  

    Mark is currently a part-time missionary with Haven Ministry located in the Denver Area. He has a degree in Criminal Justice and has attended Calvary Chapel Bible College.


    Endnotes
    1 Anonymous.
    2 Klegman, Hal. "An Introduction to the Founding of  the New Warrior Training Adventure," Mankind Project Indiana Newsletter, January 2002.
    3 Vahle, Neal. "Alexander Everett and Complete  Centering," New Realities Magazine, May/June 1987.
    4 Church, Gene. The Pit: A Group Encounter Defiled, (Outerbridge & Lazard; distributed by Dutton; 1972).
    5 http://www.lifespringinc.com/
    6 From an article on the web. "Mind Dynamics - Alexander Everett," http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eldon.braun/awareness/mind.htm
    7 Facilitators Guide Protocol Manual (The New Warrior Initiation Adventure) p.29.
    8 Pedigo, Mark. MPK-Colorado-I-Group 8 Week Protocol Facilitators Guide Protocol Manual (The New Warrior Initiation Adventure), 1998.
    9 Holy Bible, New King James Version (Nashville, Tennessee: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1983, 1988, 1997).[/quote]
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #35 on: February 12, 2008, 03:46:33 PM »
    Hanging with a bunch of guys that are influenced by the the wittings of Robert Bly should be a giant red flag.  I have nothing against gay men,  poets or poets that are gay men.  I just hate bad poets.  IF the bad poets are fat and gay that just ices it completely.  Walt Whitman was fat and gay and ugly, but a good poet.

    O me! O life! of the questions of these recurring,
    Of the endless trains of the faithless, of cities fill'd with the foolish,
    Of myself forever reproaching myself, (for who more foolish than I,
        and who more faithless?)
    Of eyes that vainly crave the light, of the objects mean, of the
        struggle ever renew'd,
    Of the poor results of all, of the plodding and sordid crowds I see
        around me,
    Of the empty and useless years of the rest, with the rest me intertwined,
    The question, O me! so sad, recurring--What good amid these, O me, O life?


          Answer.
    That you are here--that life exists and identity,
    That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #36 on: February 13, 2008, 05:19:44 PM »
    One of the problems for me is that -- for all intents and purposes -- they are conducting therapy without a license, and certainly without training or professional constraints and accountabilities. Come to think of it, that is exactly what Hyde does as well.
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #37 on: February 13, 2008, 09:28:32 PM »
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    One of the problems for me is that -- for all intents and purposes -- they are conducting therapy without a license, and certainly without training or professional constraints and accountabilities. Come to think of it, that is exactly what Hyde does as well.

     Well that just goes to show you that the apple does not fall far from the tree.
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #38 on: February 17, 2008, 07:18:09 PM »
    "Principles of Our Order
         1.) I create my own perception of reality.
         2.) My outer reality exists as a reflection of my inner world."

    You can use that rationalization to sell pretty much anything you want!!
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #39 on: February 21, 2008, 12:07:29 PM »
    Quote from: "Jesus H Christ"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    One of the problems for me is that -- for all intents and purposes -- they are conducting therapy without a license, and certainly without training or professional constraints and accountabilities. Come to think of it, that is exactly what Hyde does as well.

     Well that just goes to show you that the apple does not fall far from the tree.

    This is a tree that tends to bear rotten fruit. IMHO, Hyde is a cult, encourages cult-mindsets, and attracts people who are into cults.

    I'm not saying that everyone who ends up there is of that ilk; lots of parents and kids get duped by the moral-laden rhetoric. But... generally speaking, in order to do well there, you do tend to drink the koolaid.
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #40 on: February 21, 2008, 12:11:46 PM »
    Quote from: "Guest"
    "Principles of Our Order
         1.) I create my own perception of reality.
         2.) My outer reality exists as a reflection of my inner world."

    You can use that rationalization to sell pretty much anything you want!!

    You can tell yourself -- and anyone else who cares to listen -- a million times over that that boloney sandwich is really a high-end veggie burger, but... at the end of the day, it is still a baloney sandwich.
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #41 on: March 02, 2008, 12:59:17 AM »
    Peter Frampton is in that DC MKP group. Don't think I'll ever listen to DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE DO? quite the same again.

    Must have been a dream I don't believe where I've been
    Come on - you wanna do it again?
    Do you, you feel like I do?
    Do you, you feel like I do?
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #42 on: March 02, 2008, 08:53:14 AM »
    I guess I am just swimming in a circle.



    Paul Lynde was found dead of a heart attack, naked and holding a bottle of amyl nitrate
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #43 on: March 02, 2008, 10:39:19 AM »
    Quote from: "Paul Lynde"
    Paul Lynde was found dead of a heart attack, naked and holding a bottle of amyl nitrate
    Well... at least he wasn't holding a "special stick."

    Quote from: "Mark Roggeman"
    They are encouraged in sessions to share about times they were shamed while growing up. These are wounds that were hidden and now need to be dealt with. At one session, a male phallic symbol was passed around signifying what it means to be a man; they were encouraged to talk about sexual experiences.

    When you have the icon in your lap, it's your turn to share.

    Those sessions are done whilst everyone is naked. At a certain point in the session, the men are encouraged to touch an adjacent brother between the legs if they so wish (yep!!), and reveal their feelings for their brother Warriors... lol
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    Re: HAPA -- an LGAT
    « Reply #44 on: March 02, 2008, 03:18:46 PM »
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    they were encouraged to talk about sexual experiences.

      It is like Hyde!
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