Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.

[ZenAgent]

Where did the original e-mail from Patti come from? Has anyone asked Isabelle about this?

A fake email address that no longer exists (afaik.. according to spy2k6)

What do you mean a fake e-mail? Did someone set her up? If so that's really messed up and it will make me wonder if there's more to this story. I'd like to hear the truth - this is starting to sound just too weird. Who would do this and why?

"Set her up"?  What, like a sting operation?  After what Zehnder sent Psy, would you want Jizzabelle to know your real name and e-mail address?  C'mon...

[Anonymous]

SET HER UP?
Isabelle Zehnder has the RIGHT to refer people to PURE, and to any transport company she chooses.  Zehnder hasn't done anything wrong when she sends clients to PURE and Sunrise Adolescent Transport, now has she?
And, Zehnder has every right to solicit clients for her coaching business; and it's probably just fine for her to ask for a donation for her fundraiser.

That's not "setting anybody up," is it, when Zehnder writes her own email and makes these referrals and requests?

[psy]

THE BLOG HOGS CONTINUE !!!!

Isabelle Zehnder has posted her latest BLOG which she advertises:
  "COMIING SOON"

http://isabellezehnder-suescheff.blogspot.com/

"Isabelle Zehnder - Sue Scheff Continue to Help Families"

It's gone.  Did anybody save it, please email me.

[BuzzKill]

How can it be a set up, when all anyone did was ask for the information and service she offers to the whole world wide web? And if anyone then takes the time to find out just who it is she is sending them to - how can you fault them for that? And if it turns out they are not an actual parent with an actual teen - but rather - are instead an advocate attempting to ferret out and halt all aspects of institutional child abuse - how can you fault them for that?

I suppose misrepresenting who she is, and what she is doing, would be beneath Izzy's ethical standards ( rolling eyes) But most folks have no problem with it - this is a well established method of investigation and truth finding.

As for her money grubbing -  of corse she has every right to drum up what ever business she can. Its the American way.

I do wonder about a thing or two tho. I am troubled by this claim that donations to CaCa are tax deductible. I couldn't find where she claims she has 501C3 status; which is what she must have to be deductible on the federal level. (Anyone have anything showing that CACa has, or claims to have this status?) But she does claim the donations are tax deductible. Does she mean the donations are deductible in Washington state - but not on the federal return? If so, shouldn't that be made Very clear? If it isn't - could that be viewed by the IRS as instigating tax fraud? And if CaCa is in fact a properly designated federal non-profit - why doesn't the IRS know about this? Does Izzy know you can't just say a donation is tax deductible and have it be true?  There is a process involved in gaining this status. You can't just claim it, cause you want it. Dose she know this?

Another thing she will want to be very careful about - accepting payment for her "coaching" and running the payment through her  non-profit; because I am pretty sure that would be tax fraud. Tax Fraud might also be an American way - but it is one that gets American's time in federal prisons. Now, I am Not saying Izzy would ever intentionally do such a thing - but say if just by accident, a time or two, a fee for service here and there, got mis placed in the non profit account - that could be a problem. She needs to be sure she keeps very careful records; because you never know when the IRS might decide to take a look at the books. And they can be very tenacious.

[psy]

How could this be a fake email since it originaates from Isabelle Zehnders email account?
Wouldn't Isabelle Zehnder publicly DENOUNCE this, if it was a fake?

PATTI's email address was fake.   ::ftard::
As in "Patti" didn't really exist, nor did her fictional daughter.  This was similar to what 20/20 or 60 minutes do when they pose as prospective customers for crooked organizations etc...  Yes it does originate from Izzy's email account and spy2k6 has the original headers proving this.  It matches the subsequent email including my (old) address.

In the same manner that a friend of a friend called Sunrise up, a friend of a friend sent Izzy an email asking for information as a fictional charachter, "Patti".  The reasons should be pretty obvious and were multi-faceted.  It was a test to find out if she would refer to PURE.  She ended up doing much more than that.

SET HER UP?
Isabelle Zehnder has the RIGHT to refer people to PURE, and to any transport company she chooses. Zehnder hasn't done anything wrong when she sends clients to PURE and Sunrise Adolescent Transport, now has she?
And, Zehnder has every right to solicit clients for her coaching business; and it's probably just fine for her to ask for a donation for her fundraiser.

That's not "setting anybody up," is it, when Zehnder writes her own email and makes these referrals and requests?

You are totally missing the point (probably on purpose).  She claims to be an advocate against WWASP.  She refers to those associated with and who work with WWASP.  She claimed (explicitly) not to refer people to specific ed-cons.  She did just that.  She is a liar.  She has the legal right to do a lot of things, but when she lies about what she does it casts a lot of doubt on her honesty, and her cridibility as an "advocate" is _nil_.  There is more to this, yes, but to protect my sources, i am not revealing any more.  I believe she is dangerous.  Izzy has demonstrated that she is willing to threaten people for speaking out (see a few pages back).  Sending somebody an email with their (albeit incorrect) home address, right after starting to speak negatively about her, could really have only been a threat... and not one of legal action.  Legal action would start by sending a cease and desist letter to fornits, NOT directly to me.  I think she knows this since (afaik) she has sued people before (on fornits no less) for libel and (claims to have) worked in law for 6 years.

[Anonymous]

Isabelle Zehnder has devoted many years, time, energy and support to helping families that have suffered the ulitimate loss of a child. She grew her organization, the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA) and created one of the most comprehensive websites of information regarding children and families. I am proud to be her friend and colleague in an industry that can be not only confusing but scary if you are in a desperate situation. Isabelle will go over and above to help parents that call her and kids that need an ear to vent to. Isabelle Zehnder deserves the top recommendation in my book.

Sue Scheff
Friend and Colleague
Owner
Parents Universal Resource Experts, Inc.


Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

These two bloggers and self-proclaimed advocates appear to be joined at the hip.  Each patting the other on the back.  Referring to each other and their respective websites any and every chance they get - which is frequently given this blogging frenzy of late.  I've never seen anything like this.  It is bizarre, IMO.

Personally?  I think it is wise for folks to remember where there is smoke, there is fire.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, here's the link:

http://truthaboutcaica.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous]

Now that I'm not eating I took another look at Jizzabelle, and damn, would you really want that toad as a "life coach"?  The woman can't even manage her eating habits, for God's sake...

Funny you should say that ...

The Secret (Extended Edition)  
DVD ~ Rhonda Byrne

Review by Isabelle Zehnder

Thought-provoking, May 13, 2007

While I believe much of what was said on The Secret, I believe some people will take it to extremes. Already, I met a couple of women in a restaurant. Both were quite overweight, both were eating large, unhealthy breakfasts. We began discussing The Secret (these were strangers, we happened to have to sit at the same table). They said they were both going to be thin simply by thinking they will be. The law of attraction, they said.

While I believe strongly in the power of positive thinking, I also believe in order for us to get the things we want we need to use logic and do the things necessary to get there.

Otherwise, there were some good points and I think it's worth seeing.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A1AL1X2XXNRKQ0

[Rude Intrusion]

PSY wrote:

You are totally missing the point (probably on purpose). She claims to be an advocate against WWASP. She refers to those associated with and who work with WWASP. She claimed (explicitly) not to refer people to specific ed-cons. She did just that. She is a liar. She has the legal right to do a lot of things, but when she lies about what she does it casts a lot of doubt on her honesty, and her cridibility as an "advocate" is _nil_. There is more to this, yes, but to protect my sources, i am not revealing any more. I believe she is dangerous. Izzy has demonstrated that she is willing to threaten people for speaking out (see a few pages back). Sending somebody an email with their (albeit incorrect) home address, right after starting to speak negatively about her, could really have only been a threat... and not one of legal action. Legal action would start by sending a cease and desist letter to fornits, NOT directly to me. I think she knows this since (afaik) she has sued people before (on fornits no less) for libel and (claims to have) worked in law for 6 years.


ME: I couldn't agree more with your take on the situation. Keep Talking
_________________

[Anonymous]

Wait Just a Miinute !
Izzy sat herself down in a "restuarnt" with two total strangers and just started YAKKING with them about how they could THINK THEMSELVES THIN?

After seeing this picture of Izzy that has been posted, it doesn't seem that Izzy really has the right to be judging these two women's breakfast as either "too large, or as unhealthy."

WHAT TYPE OF PERSON just sits down with STRANGERS, and joins them for breakfast, and starts talking to them?

[psy]

WHAT TYPE OF PERSON just sits down with STRANGERS, and joins them for breakfast, and starts talking to them?

A friendly one.

I am wondering, however, how the topic of weight loss came up... or that wacky new-age book, "The Secret".

[psy]

Her latest response to this thread: http://isabellezehnder-suescheff.blogspot.com/

one particularly poignant paragraph:

Sue and Isabelle believe in team work. They not only work with each other but they work with a group of other professionals who all share the same goals - to keep families together whenever possible and to help find safe alternatives when it is not possible.

Yup I archived it this time

Now... the commented version:

Sue and Isabelle believe in team work ( :wink: ). They not only work with each other but they work with a group of other  (unlicensed) professionals ( who work with WWASP ) who all share the same goals ($$$$$$) - to keep families together (by separating them) whenever possible and to help find safe alternatives (like Whitmore, Sunrise Escort Services, Red Rock etc...) when it is not possible.

[Anonymous]

Wait Just a Miinute !
Izzy sat herself down in a "restuarnt" with two total strangers and just started YAKKING with them about how they could THINK THEMSELVES THIN?

After seeing this picture of Izzy that has been posted, it doesn't seem that Izzy really has the right to be judging these two women's breakfast as either "too large, or as unhealthy."

WHAT TYPE OF PERSON just sits down with STRANGERS, and joins them for breakfast, and starts talking to them?

Yes, another Izzism -

The pot calling the kettle black ...

As for the restaurant, sounds to me it's the kind that comes equipped with a talking clown and drive-up window.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

WHAT TYPE OF PERSON just sits down with STRANGERS, and joins them for breakfast, and starts talking to them?

A friendly one.

I am wondering, however, how the topic of weight loss came up... or that wacky new-age book, "The Secret".

'Cause Izzy livin' large in the waist band, expanding exponentially with each Whopper she shoves in her pie-hole, paid for with blood money...

I like the reference to her looking like Jabba the Hut...now I imagine her blogging away and occasionally reaching into a bucket to get a black lizard, which she consumes whole and still living.

[Anonymous]

These two woman are absolutely disgusting!!!
Has any program survivor emailed Sue's daughter and explained what her mother is doing to other kids and is continuing to have other children abused? Maybe if she knew what a bitch her mother was she might say something.