Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon

[Paul St. John]

. . . "last night i had a real bad nightmare.i was very much aware of what it had to do with. in this nightmare my right leg was being shackled, i was in a concrete room..i woke up screaming, not from physical pain, but from emotional pain and crying out....terrified....laying there...trying to deny it ....saying it is not true, just a bad dream, but the dream was exaclty the same as the some very upsetting flashbacks...and in rather in a need to rebalance myself, i would insist in my head that it was representing how i was feeling in my counseling work, that i felt shackled to such concrete reality ...lol....oxymoron of things....doubling my understanding here...lol....
but whether it is based in actual memory or whether it is based in symbolic feelings, the fact remains that it manifested itself in my sleep....and broke thru to this surface awareness...and therefore needs light, to let God make manifest it to me, to clarify it to me, to bring to me understanding of it in his time, way and will.....according to how he knows me, and how he understands my limits....etc..."



Former Rebekah Girl -- 1978
Roloff Survivor and now Becoming an Overcomer

This woman's post is incomprehensible. But the idea I got is that the above "dream" she had somehow helps prove that she was a victim of some kind during her stay at Rebekah.

Really.. Cause that's not the idea that I got.  I got the idea that the person was relating an experience, and sharing.

 What I've noted from reading through about 10 pages of this forum is that there are a lot of mentally and emotionally troubled and unstable people here telling stories of abuse. The problem I have with this is they were mentally and emotionally unstable BEFORE they went into the Home.

I'm with Ursus.. How do you know?

and for a guy who's so big on proof, where do you get off making such an assertion?



So how can I put any confidence in anything they say?


Who asked you to?

[Paul St. John]

. . . "last night i had a real bad nightmare.i was very much aware of what it had to do with. in this nightmare my right leg was being shackled, i was in a concrete room..i woke up screaming, not from physical pain, but from emotional pain and crying out....terrified....laying there...trying to deny it ....saying it is not true, just a bad dream, but the dream was exaclty the same as the some very upsetting flashbacks...and in rather in a need to rebalance myself, i would insist in my head that it was representing how i was feeling in my counseling work, that i felt shackled to such concrete reality ...lol....oxymoron of things....doubling my understanding here...lol....
but whether it is based in actual memory or whether it is based in symbolic feelings, the fact remains that it manifested itself in my sleep....and broke thru to this surface awareness...and therefore needs light, to let God make manifest it to me, to clarify it to me, to bring to me understanding of it in his time, way and will.....according to how he knows me, and how he understands my limits....etc..."



Former Rebekah Girl -- 1978
Roloff Survivor and now Becoming an Overcomer

This woman's post is incomprehensible. But the idea I got is that the above "dream" she had somehow helps prove that she was a victim of some kind during her stay at Rebekah.

Really.. Cause that's not the idea that I got.  I got the idea that the person was relating an experience, and sharing.

 What I've noted from reading through about 10 pages of this forum is that there are a lot of mentally and emotionally troubled and unstable people here telling stories of abuse. The problem I have with this is they were mentally and emotionally unstable BEFORE they went into the Home.

I'm with Ursus.. How do you know?

and for a guy who's so big on proof, where do you get off making such an assertion?



So how can I put any confidence in anything they say?


Who asked you to?

[DannyB II]

Oozeman wrote:
LMAO....go to his group on Yahoo and you will see.  And search his name on facebook....again you will see his multiple personalities.  I have yet decided if I will copy his apology here or not.  But yes....he DID apologize for the abuse folks went through and even stated he was going to try to get his church to make it right.

Anne wrote:
DO IT!!!!!

Danny wrote:
Why so you can discredit the survivor here in public, Anne. Is that what you get off on hurting people. Your a sick girl Anne. Your not satisfied until you have your vengeance.  

Oozeman wrote:
Tim's a lil manic....have fun playing with him Danny.  You seem a bit manic yerself jackass.  Tim is a classic product of roloff's "success" stories....people with no fucking backbone who wander like sheep to the slaughter.
 
Danny wrote:
Who is slaughtering and why are we being slaughtered. Please do elaborate. Backbone hmmmmm......I would think Tim has a very strong "back bone" look at the weight he has had to carry. His position/opinion on Roloffs is his, over time it evolves so I can see where you would misunderstand his confusion for weakness. In life you can wander at times.
Now manic, com'on oozeman everyone can be manic at times.
Oozeman don't become bitter with someone who has a different set of eyes.
 
Anne wrote:
Yep, sounds like he and DannyBoy will get along swimmingly!

Danny wrote:
Absolutely I am counting on it, thanks for your support. Anne Tim is a survivor like you so therefore you don't kick him to the curb because he holds a different view.
Jesus what did Straight do to you or is this happening in your home. Anne do you need help is your husband abusing you or visa versa. Is this what you did with your children if they did not agree with you, just call them names then discard them. You show no patience at all with fellow survivors.
What is it with you and folks disagreeing with you.

[Anne Bonney]

Oozeman wrote:
LMAO....go to his group on Yahoo and you will see.  And search his name on facebook....again you will see his multiple personalities.  I have yet decided if I will copy his apology here or not.  But yes....he DID apologize for the abuse folks went through and even stated he was going to try to get his church to make it right.

Anne wrote:
DO IT!!!!!

Danny wrote:
Why so you can discredit the survivor here in public, Anne. Is that what you get off on hurting people. Your a sick girl Anne. Your not satisfied until you have your vengeance.  

Oozeman wrote:
Tim's a lil manic....have fun playing with him Danny.  You seem a bit manic yerself jackass.  Tim is a classic product of roloff's "success" stories....people with no fucking backbone who wander like sheep to the slaughter.
 
Danny wrote:
Who is slaughtering and why are we being slaughtered. Please do elaborate. Backbone hmmmmm......I would think Tim has a very strong "back bone" look at the weight he has had to carry. His position/opinion on Roloffs is his, over time it evolves so I can see where you would misunderstand his confusion for weakness. In life you can wander at times.
Now manic, com'on oozeman everyone can be manic at times.
Oozeman don't become bitter with someone who has a different set of eyes.

danny  

Anne wrote:
Yep, sounds like he and DannyBoy will get along swimmingly!

Danny wrote:
Absolutely I am counting on it, thanks for your support. Anne Tim is a survivor like you so therefore you don't kick him to the curb because he holds a different view.
Jesus what did Straight do to you or is this happening in your home. Anne do you need help is your husband abusing you or visa versa. Is this what you did with your children if they did not agree with you, just call them names then discard them. You show no patience at all with fellow survivors.
What is it with you and folks disagreeing with you.

What?? I can't tell who wrote what.  Learn to use the quote feature.


If Tim apologized elsewhere for abuses he saw at Roloff's, but then comes here and chastises people for saying that Roloff's was abusive - you're damn right I want to see that apology.  Are you really that dense that you don't get that?

[DannyB II]

Danny has a history of threatening people on fornits.  This has been a pattern of his.  You should keep records of all threats made against you from Bennison in the event he threatens you with legal action via. personal message.  

 :jawdrop:

Shucks. I only get the PMs filled with worshipful accolades. However, my sense of honor prevents me from sharing those with you.

Oh by all means do post them Ursus.......Shit if your going to talk about them (sense of honor, out the window) post them. Dingbat.

danny

[DannyB II]

Oozeman wrote:
LMAO....go to his group on Yahoo and you will see.  And search his name on facebook....again you will see his multiple personalities.  I have yet decided if I will copy his apology here or not.  But yes....he DID apologize for the abuse folks went through and even stated he was going to try to get his church to make it right.

Anne wrote:
DO IT!!!!!

Danny wrote:
Why so you can discredit the survivor here in public, Anne. Is that what you get off on hurting people. Your a sick girl Anne. Your not satisfied until you have your vengeance.  

Oozeman wrote:
Tim's a lil manic....have fun playing with him Danny.  You seem a bit manic yerself jackass.  Tim is a classic product of roloff's "success" stories....people with no fucking backbone who wander like sheep to the slaughter.
 
Danny wrote:
Who is slaughtering and why are we being slaughtered. Please do elaborate. Backbone hmmmmm......I would think Tim has a very strong "back bone" look at the weight he has had to carry. His position/opinion on Roloffs is his, over time it evolves so I can see where you would misunderstand his confusion for weakness. In life you can wander at times.
Now manic, com'on oozeman everyone can be manic at times.
Oozeman don't become bitter with someone who has a different set of eyes.

danny  

Anne wrote:
Yep, sounds like he and DannyBoy will get along swimmingly!

Danny wrote:
Absolutely I am counting on it, thanks for your support. Anne Tim is a survivor like you so therefore you don't kick him to the curb because he holds a different view.
Jesus what did Straight do to you or is this happening in your home. Anne do you need help is your husband abusing you or visa versa. Is this what you did with your children if they did not agree with you, just call them names then discard them. You show no patience at all with fellow survivors.
What is it with you and folks disagreeing with you.

What?? I can't tell who wrote what.  Learn to use the quote feature.
If Tim apologized elsewhere for abuses he saw at Roloff's, but then comes here and chastises people for saying that Roloff's was abusive - you're damn right I want to see that apology.  Are you really that dense that you don't get that?

Anne you can read it perfectly, hey pull the drama out of this conversation please. I understand completely why you want his apology. What I don't understand is your excitement about embarrassing him.

[Ursus]

Danny has a history of threatening people on fornits.  This has been a pattern of his.  You should keep records of all threats made against you from Bennison in the event he threatens you with legal action via. personal message.  

 :jawdrop:

Shucks. I only get the PMs filled with worshipful accolades. However, my sense of honor prevents me from sharing those with you.

Oh by all means do post them Ursus.......Shit if your going to talk about them (sense of honor, out the window) post them. Dingbat.

<face palm> It's called SATIRE, Dannyboy. Cultivating a sense of humor might do you a world of good. Ya might want to try it sometime!

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[DannyB II]

Danny has a history of threatening people on fornits.  This has been a pattern of his.  You should keep records of all threats made against you from Bennison in the event he threatens you with legal action via. personal message.  

 :jawdrop:

Shucks. I only get the PMs filled with worshipful accolades. However, my sense of honor prevents me from sharing those with you.

Oh by all means do post them Ursus.......Shit if your going to talk about them (sense of honor, out the window) post them. Dingbat.

<face palm> It's called SATIRE, Dannyboy. Cultivating a sense of humor might do you a world of good. Ya might want to try it sometime!

Aw shucks you got me again........

[DannyB II]

The thing is Danny knows he did threaten legal action via. personal message and I sent the most vial response [immature actually because I really didn't care].  The feud started when he said "Fuck you and your mother, you pussy."  Lucky I still have them saved for epic lulz.   :twofinger:

Joel no one was talking to you.
I'll only say this once private, talk about your mother again and you will be thrown in the brig, do you understand me.
Ten Hut, carry on.......

Danny

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Paul St. John]

Is this what you did with your children if they did not agree with you, just call them names then discard them.

You re getting better Danny.. 'bout a week ago, you so believed anything that popped into your often crazy mind, that you flat out told Anne how she treats her own kids.  Now, you are at least asking her if your fantasies are real.. You are becoming saner, Danny.

Danny, on so many of your posts, I see what someone wrote to you.. I first laugh my ass off, at that, and then  I laugh my ass off again, when I read your response, when I picture you with your face all red responding..lol

The more you can chill, the saner you will start to get.  

The more you can relate to others rather then prove yourself to them, the more sense you will start to make. It s not about writing ability.  It s about getting outside of your own head.

I bet that thing you wrote about ripping out hearts sounded damn good to you, but to others.. You sound like a fucking maniac.
Paul

[Meridell]

I wrote that.  I'm calling lock up abuse, BEATINGS, not spankings, BEATINGS abuse.  I'm calling sexual abuse abuse, I'm calling kneeling until we passed out and having to pee in trash cans because we could not get up abuse.  I'm calling broken bones abuse, no medical care or psych care for things like anorexia abuse (I ended up losing half my colon to this disease because of Rebekah, I call that abuse).  I'm calling extreme fear of pain abuse, I'm calling getting girls pitted against each other and restraining each other abuse.  Care for me to continue, because I could go on for hours.

Why have people who have never been to Rebekah hijacked this forum?  What's your agenda?

I don't even understand what I'm reading.  Who could defend these people, satan?  FUCK Roloff, the Camerons, Barrott and all the others.  Screw the child abusers.  We've gone on with our lives and something still haunts us.  SCREW those people who don't get it, who say we are lying.  I know the truth, my truth and theirs, and they know it too.

Wow. And this is the type of testimony we are suppose to listen too? I'm interested in knowing just what is it that you are calling abuse. Seriously. Tell me how you were abused.

[DannyB II]

I wrote that.  I'm calling lock up abuse, BEATINGS, not spankings, BEATINGS abuse.  I'm calling sexual abuse abuse, I'm calling kneeling until we passed out and having to pee in trash cans because we could not get up abuse.  I'm calling broken bones abuse, no medical care or psych care for things like anorexia abuse (I ended up losing half my colon to this disease because of Rebekah, I call that abuse).  I'm calling extreme fear of pain abuse, I'm calling getting girls pitted against each other and restraining each other abuse.  Care for me to continue, because I could go on for hours.

Why have people who have never been to Rebekah hijacked this forum?  What's your agenda?

Danny wrote:
Wow........did this go on in all the homes. I know at Elan, houses differed one from another. Also the earlier decades 70's-90's seemed to have much more physical punishment (along with the emotional and mental) then the 2000's at least this is what I'm hearing.

I don't even understand what I'm reading.  Who could defend these people, satan?  FUCK Roloff, the Camerons, Barrott and all the others.  Screw the child abusers.  We've gone on with our lives and something still haunts us.  SCREW those people who don't get it, who say we are lying.  I know the truth, my truth and theirs, and they know it too.

 
Wow. And this is the type of testimony we are suppose to listen too? I'm interested in knowing just what is it that you are calling abuse. Seriously. Tell me how you were abused.

[Anne Bonney]

Danny has a history of threatening people on fornits.  This has been a pattern of his.  You should keep records of all threats made against you from Bennison in the event he threatens you with legal action via. personal message.  

 :jawdrop:

Shucks. I only get the PMs filled with worshipful accolades. However, my sense of honor prevents me from sharing those with you.

Oh by all means do post them Ursus.......Shit if your going to talk about them (sense of honor, out the window) post them. Dingbat.

<face palm> It's called SATIRE, Dannyboy. Cultivating a sense of humor might do you a world of good. Ya might want to try it sometime!

 :eek:   No one can be this stupid and still be breathing.  He can't be a real person.