reply to greg and eudora and others... so amny things come to m,ind, difficult to sort them out.. sleep deprivation, being forced to sit or kneel for hours and hours, learning to 'sleep' in a folding chair while people were screaming in my face... the sure knowledge that they.. whoever 'they were i didn't know, had bought teachers, judges, psychiatrists, cops... where did i come from... odd question in the existential sense... i guess for purposes of discussion i came from dade county, seed, tropical park, '72'73 sean thanks for book reference, i recommend physiology of brainwashing and conversion, auth. wm. dsargent, pub late 50's thank you all rssmddn