I think it should be more like how many people are still alive aft5er having gone thru their perspective program.
versus
How many people are dead from having just come in contact with that particular program.
The lunacy that I saw in elan back in the early days would blind you the lunacy that i heard would burn off both your ears ....bottom line is that if Ken Zaretsky ever told the truth about the shit that went on in elan in 1974 he (in my opinion a pathological liar and a true sociopath ) would be a little embarrassed that he "thought Joe Ricci was God "[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-06-05 14:46 ]