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So what you are saying is, I am a filthy piece of shit jew or kike or whatever because I happen to believe that there is a time and a place to cease fire. That is quite interesting. It has nothing to do with waht this man did or is doing. I believe that the location was not the most appropriate place to hold this sort of activity. How does that give you the right to attack me so harshly with gross and pugilistic behavior. I do not believe any man represents my faith or heritage including myself. What I do believe is that we must have the right to speak out when we feel it just to do so. I have an opposite view to most on this nature but I do not believe anyone here will condone your behavior.
Tzeth'a Leshalom VeShuvh'a Leshalom

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Excuse me but I am not sure who you were directing that extreme message to. I was simply stating that while I agreed with Mr. Jordans opinion about the choice of protest venues, I felt his behavior to be a little to harsh at the others here. I also expressed my feeling to Ms. KD and the others not to name call because of their emotion. It just leads to further arguments which will destroy the entire reason we come here in the first place. I think it is most important to discuss these matters as adults.

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While I agreed with your opinion about the choice of venues, I must say the lash is a bit strong. If I had a nickel for everytime I was called a kike or heeb..... I mean why get so crazy in forum where you dont know or cant meet these people face to face. I value their opnion as much as my own whch is why I come here. Its a place to talk, not to act like chaye trash. Be cool and let the "typical jew" thing go. Its not the place. And Ms KD and the others, I am also disenchanted by this mans behavior even though we share the same opinion but please refrain from the name calling. I agree he went off the hook but it will just beget more of the same if we lose our whole reason for coming here. That is to speak to eachother in a responsible and civilised manner. I have lost my mind with a few of the posts I have seen in here but I just ignored it. If you all take ofense to my suggestion then I apologise. However I do believe that a man is entitled to honor his fallen loved ones as well as give to a foundation which allows others of a common faith to do the same. Thanks for listening and let us keep this forum as a place to talk about experiences and not as a place to smash eachother.
Shalom

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I completely agree with Sheik. I have the same blood running in my body and the same past horror. I especially place that horror above my own experience which doesnt even come close to being in a cattle car. Get a grip. Listen Sheik not everyone here disagrees with you. Keep your mind and your heart strong and dont pay mind to others choices. It is not a path that intersects yours in the big picture. From what I know, even Mel has family which suffered the fate we are talking about. I dont care how much people hate a man. That man deserves to have his time to say Kaddish for his loss no matter what he did or does.
Tzeth'a Leshalom VeShuvh'a Leshalom

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And maybe this will jog your memory. I bailed right after a third phase review or refresher or whatever they called it cas I was ditching PE at school and got caught by Mrs. Crawford. I really hated that woman with every ounce of my being. She is permanently etched in my black book.

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My name is Bill but there were two Bills I think at the time. I was younger and I came up from St Pete. I wasn't so social you have to understand. I just did a year and change in St Petersburg and wasnt even considering riding Atlanta out either. I lived in Beaupre's host home with Pete his sister me and my friend Susan. It was a two on two no newcomer hosthome. I came in in the spring I guess as I seem to remember it still being a bit chilly when I arrived. I stayed as a newcomer at a hosthome a bit far from the Building. I think it was the house of a guy on fifth phase who drove a blue gto or some sort of 70s era car of the same likeness. He was older than eighteen and I think his name was Len or Leo. I did quite a big satrecth at Adam Cs house when he was an oldcomer and we became friends as a result. His brother made oldcomer and I did as well around the same time so I went to the Beaupres. I was friends with another guy named Charles who got pulled while I was on 2 or 3rd. He was the kid who brought me to group when I first arrived. I really cant imagine any other detail that would stand me out other than when I bailed. Wheeler high School in October or so. I bailed after school on a friday and never returned.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / I love chicks
« on: January 08, 2004, 12:43:00 PM »
Right, but then some jerkoffs started using them as projectiles. Funny unless you were on the receiving end of one of those metal or glass containers(cant remember but I am pretty sure it was metal)

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Parental Violence in the group
« on: January 07, 2004, 12:37:00 PM »
By the way Paul I really had alot of respect for your old man that night. Alot of heart!! For once a guy stepped up for his own and set aside all that "love you Paul" bullshit. Definitely heartfelt.

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The guy I talked into leaving with me was on second phase. His name was James and he transfered in from Dallas. The guy that let me go was John Huber. He was my oldcomer and it was a sunday. We were one on one so it was easy.

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Not to sure how fantastic it is but I got a survey type question. I was able to socially engineer two oldcomers on two seperate copouts. Did that happen alot over the years when all you guys were in. I will clarify;
I talked a kid watching me in the isolation room, into walking me to the infirmary but instead we cut through the kitchen and out the service door. Another time I talked a kid who was one on one with me in a host home to just let me out the door. He gave me a minute to get good bolting clothes on and a decent pair of shoes, after which he was like okay hit me. I did and he played the struggle bit as I dashed. He never got caught and I never ratted when I got back. Like I said, not amazing but I want to know how common this stuff was over the years.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / St. Pete 90-91
« on: January 06, 2004, 06:18:00 AM »
Yeah I hear that. Its not like all that now. I just want to get it out should she ever pass this way. I was a wreck for about a year when I got out of that place and I would spend all my time thinking about wierd shit. Point being is that whether or not I was in a haze walking in the walls and whatnot, I still got let her know. But all in all I do agree with you.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / St. Pete 90-91
« on: January 05, 2004, 01:59:00 PM »

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I wouldnt mind seeing that personally. I was in the pink room at the time and am most certainly not in the video. Who are you? I was in that Christmas and I am sure we knew eachother.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Saint Pete Straight 89-91
« on: January 05, 2004, 01:45:00 PM »
Yeah I remember you kids. I remember your sis went in first and then you went in later. I think you know me. I used to make wierd faces at you during open meetings across the room. I did it cause you would laugh out loud and disrupt the meeting. think and you shall remember.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / St. Pete 90-91
« on: January 05, 2004, 01:28:00 PM »
I do have a purpose for remembering all this hell. I was looking through the internet and happened on this by chance. I was a bit reluctant to read these posts cause I was not in the least bit willing to remember those days. I was a career Misb and spent alot of agonizing hours in the pink and blue rooms. Anyway I just held my breath and decided to take a peek. It is really strange hearing these stories and my mind is flooded with memories I have repressed for so long. I am still not sure how to feel about this but I will see how it goes. I would like to take this time to vent an apology in to the open air. I really doubt this person reads this forum but I figure I am somewhat vindicated by telling the story to those who went through the place like we did. I was in Atlanta, on transfer and I had just made third or fourth phase. I guess third. I was living in the Beaupre or Bopreau house(I dont remember the spelling. the house had a brother and sister in the program at the same time. this was lucky cause it was co-ed and had no newcomers) I lived with a girl, my host sis named Suzy I think. We were really close friends. I mean you can understand as we were the same age, in the same jail, no newcomers, and rules and what not. It was the greatest friendship I can remember. Not like you think but like brother and sister. Although I did develop a strong fondness for her it never went anywhere. The group was not stupid I guess and caught on to it but didnt say anything. I was oblivious to that fact so I was like what the fuck you know. Later I saw my exit opportunity for the eighth time and decided to bail after school. I was going to Wheeler high school at the time and I made another friend with some guy in my class and he had a car. So over a week I explained my situation to him and he agreed to get me out. All the while I never told her what I was planning cause of the reservation that she might nark. But one the weekend before I left I told her my plan. She didnt flip and she kept it tight until I executed the plan. At the time I felt okay cause I probably thought I would get caught and sent back. We would meet again and all that stuff. But to my surprise I actually managed to evade and cross state lines and eventually my parents pulled me in absentia. After my bliss wore off I started thinking about her. It was miserable. I remember my mother telling me that she was instantly persecuted for my copout and more than likely setback. I felt a guilt which I could never explain to my friends on the outside. How could they understand what I was feeling and how I could feel that way when they had no Idea what it was like for us inside that place. Anyway listen;
Susy I am sorry! I hope you got all those sweet things in life you used to tell me you always wanted. I am so sorry for any pain I caused you!

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