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[GregFL]

Anon above, you asked some questions about the initial forming of the Straight board. I have inside knowledge of this and there exists an interview that was attended online with Ginger, Wes, Ken, and a handfull of other people with one of the founders. If you want to know more, email me.

Suffice to say that I am very close to that situation.

[Helena Handbasket]

((And to the Anonymous poster from earlier:  that boy who did a stint of 19 years; hasn't he gotten his money yet for false imprisonment and all the other shit that goes with it ?  Did the president in office at the time declare a state of emergency and also declare an official War on Murderers ?  Warttime Reparations, PUHHleaze ?!?

Dude.  You get your  ::bangin:: Straight first before you step.))

That was me - connectivity probs kept logging me off I suppose.  I don't post anonomously on purpose.

And yeah - as far as I know, murder is the top crime in this country next to treason.  I don't know if there's been an official declaration of war on murderers - so?  I don't get your point.

The point I was trying to make is that WE as a collective Society of Seed/Straight/Legacy program Survivors were not physically or geographically imprisoned for 20+ years.  The memories are horrible.  There are people suffering with a post traumatic stress disorder to this day - but can we liken our experience with those of the soldiers in WWII (when it was called 'Shell Shock') or VietNam (when PTSD was coined)?  I think not.  I think it's an entirely different species.

I say that because I know there have been deaths within these programs.  I know there have been moments when some of us thought we were going to die - serious stuff.  It DOES in some ways parallel that of wrongly convicted felons in penitentiaries and soldiers who witnessed horrible acts of war.  But we have it a little better, I think.

Unlike the soldiers, the majority of us did not live in fear of being killed.  Unlike the prisoners held on a bogus murder charge - we knew it was only a matter of time til that magic birthday rolled around.

But the memories and the nightmares and the exaggerated startle reflexes continued on into our late 20's and 30's.... somewhat akin to the soldiers and the the falsely accused.

Yes - I can see where we have some commonalities.  But leave "War Time Reparations" to those who went to war.  Don't equate the few years you were made to live in false confinement to that of someone who lived in false confinement three times as long.  

Give credit where credit is due.  Respect our soldiers.  Respect our people who have lost a lifetime on the inside.  And still respect yourself.

 ::cheers::

[Triumvirate]

On 2004-05-28 06:42:00, GregFL wrote:

"Well, the general public thinks you did something wrong by using drugs. This is what I speak of when I say we are trying to change somthing that is deeply embedded in our culture, and we need to do it with integrity or people will dismiss what we are saying and say we are a group of unstable ex addicts.







And No I didn't do anything wrong to end up in Juvy. It is a long story and tied to my stint in the program. It was an attempt to have me thrown back in the program by my father and his friend, Seed parent and co-Straight founder xxx xxxx, chief of police.The charges were summarily dropped before ever going to trial because I refused to go along with their ploy, that is, they wanted to scare me into choosing between Juvy and the program. I stayed at juvy until they had no choice but to drop the charges because they had nothing then I left the St Pete area for good, never to return again until I was 20 years old and safe from that insanity.



You guys, carry on and do whatever you want. Just please understand that not everyone agrees with your methodology or your recovered memories, and many people are scared to speak out because of your history of personal attacks. You need to learn the difference between disagreements and personal attacks.





And Chris, I am not retired, I am just retired from doing protests..  I tend to try to do things in a much different manner than your group.  So be it.[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-05-28 06:46 ]"

Nono I wasnt accusing you man..I did get busted and I did serve time for it and I deserved it..

But I was sent by the state of texas..Convicted in court..

In straight we were not criminals...just kids.

[Fuck You Sembler & Ec]

GregFL, stop heckling me like you did to start this whole thing off, and I'll grow up or stop acting like some victim or survior or w/e.  dig ?

I took back the fuck you's and the lazy retired heckler sincerity, arite, because we'd met.   I even took back the suck my dick from the other person, which you sneakily forgot to mention that they deserved it.  

Its not my business what you do in your spare time.  I just don't care for your sidehanded advice, laced conveniently with your failures. Consider it Constructive Criticism.
[ This Message was edited by: Fuck You Sembler & Eckerd & Loebenberg on 2004-05-29 03:09 ]

[Triumvirate]

Shouldnt your interest be in the seed section anyway Greg?

[Triumvirate]

On 2004-05-28 06:42:00, GregFL wrote:

"Well, the general public thinks you did something wrong by using drugs. This is what I speak of when I say we are trying to change somthing that is deeply embedded in our culture, and we need to do it with integrity or people will dismiss what we are saying and say we are a group of unstable ex addicts.







And No I didn't do anything wrong to end up in Juvy. It is a long story and tied to my stint in the program. It was an attempt to have me thrown back in the program by my father and his friend, Seed parent and co-Straight founder xxx xxxx, chief of police.The charges were summarily dropped before ever going to trial because I refused to go along with their ploy, that is, they wanted to scare me into choosing between Juvy and the program. I stayed at juvy until they had no choice but to drop the charges because they had nothing then I left the St Pete area for good, never to return again until I was 20 years old and safe from that insanity.



You guys, carry on and do whatever you want. Just please understand that not everyone agrees with your methodology or your recovered memories, and many people are scared to speak out because of your history of personal attacks. You need to learn the difference between disagreements and personal attacks.





And Chris, I am not retired, I am just retired from doing protests..  I tend to try to do things in a much different manner than your group.  So be it.[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-05-28 06:46 ]"

Dont you get it? Noones goiing to listen no matter HOW you say what you say..
 Because exactly noone gives a fuck except survivors..
 I have shown countless people Fagers site etc..
and they dont give a fuck and arent going to give a fuck.

And I dont need you to dictate to me the difference between a personal attack and disagreement. Need I remind you that this is the internet? Not everyone sees things from your righteous perspective.
 And I am an unstable drug addict  :lol:
And dont say people are scared to speak out from my personal attacks...the only people around here I have laid into are still here..
 Ill say again ..you see things your way, and you arent neccesarily right..
 And I dont have "recovered" memories..I saw things the way they happened and the rest I do not remember..
 Another thing you werent even in straight at all period. Although the seed may have been its predecessor...it isnt the same..
 I dont post on the seed forum blasting peoples memories etc...
 

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Close your eyes and forget your name
Step outside yoruself and let your thoughts drain
As you go insane, go insane[ This Message was edited by: Triumvirate on 2004-05-29 05:38 ][ This Message was edited by: Triumvirate on 2004-05-29 05:44 ]

[GregFL]

You got my comments about someone else confused with you. I was speaking of fuck you Mel & so & so  when I said people are scared of attacks. The only part of that post meant for you was the first part.

Other than that, Tirumvirate, you just really don't understand my connection to Straight. I know way more than you understand even tho I personally wasn't there. If you want to know more, Email me and I will explain, but as for now...

This is getting way tiresome. I am moving of this thread for good.

[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-05-29 12:52 ]

[animals all of us]

good.  I was getting tired of your bullshit too Greg.  That FuckyouS&E&L was right, you can't type worth a fuck and your nonbiased constructive criticism is full of twisted hypocracies.

[Anonymous]

first you criticise someone for their typing then type "hypocracies".  Talk about ironic.


You people are all the same  nothing to say but bullshit and attacks.
I suppose you were raped as well?

You guys only know how to communicate like you are in a group come down on session.

Greg is right I don't want my name affiliated with you wackos either.

[Anonymous]

" Psychologists have a  term: "group polarization," which describes the tendency for like-minded people, talking only with one another, to end up believing a more extreme version of what they thought before they started to talk."



 :idea:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-05-30 09:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Psychologists have a  term: "group polarization," which describes the tendency for like-minded people, talking only with one another, to end up believing a more extreme version of what they thought before they started to talk."[/i]


Exactly! Here's a perfect example:

Ill say again ..you see things your way, and you arent neccesarily right..

Well, actually he is right, because he's only explaining that LIES hurt the truth.
 

And I dont have "recovered" memories..I saw things the way they happened and the rest I do not remember..

Well then why are you defending a website full of propaganda?
 

Another thing you werent even in straight at all period. Although the seed may have been its predecessor...it isnt the same..

Therion... Do your homework.  :roll:
 

I dont post on the seed forum blasting peoples memories etc...

"Blasting?" That's a program term, speak english! They aren't his memories, they are his exaggerations and aren't true!

[Fuck You Sembler & Ec]

Those last two posts ARE whacko.  I wouldn't waste time associating you with a group that does good things for the community.

Call it a twelfth step of giving back.

You're not part of this, so stop posting.  You're just another silly small pixel heckler like GregFL.

I was physically raped in Straight.  What about it motherfucker ?

[Anonymous]

On 2004-05-30 11:16:00, Fuck You Sembler & Eckerd & Loebenberg wrote:



Call it a twelfth step of giving back.

Had you pegged all along  for a twelve stepper...

I was physically raped in Straight.  What about it motherfucker ?"

Real sad if true. Unfortunately, like the boy who cried wolf, I doubt anyone believes anything you fucking say at this point except for your close nit group of wacko buddies.


"Psychologists have a term: "group polarization," which describes the tendency for like-minded people, talking only with one another, to end up believing a more extreme version of what they thought before they started to talk."


You are living proof of the accuracy of this statement.

[Anonymous]

what the hell?

[Anonymous]

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