JASON FINLINSON-CASA

[Anonymous]

most states consider it abuse to dis-allow movement or exercise.

also the staff standards are interesting- you can have notebooks of ongoing standards for authorities to view but if the director can't find them...? are they of benefit to the inmates?

[Timoclea]

On 2004-02-18 21:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-02-18 18:44:00, Timoclea wrote:


"Come back in five years and say whatever you have to say about your TBS experience.  Too often the accounts of fresh program leavers or grads are bare of detail compared to their accounts in later years, and too often we hear from program grads five to fifteen years on who say that when they were fresh program leavers or grads they either thought what they went through was okay when it wasn't or they were still too scared to talk about everything that happened.





Because of that phenomenon, those of us outside the program inmate/parent/owner/staff world have to give more weight to the accounts of people who left the program several years ago than to the accounts of people who left the program less than a year ago.





It's a bit like talking to someone fresh out of Scientology, the Unification Church, or TM.

I believe that human beings arrive on this Earth wanting to know absolutely everything, and the best thing we can do as parents is to get out of the way -- just be there to let them know what opportunities are there
-- Dorothy Werner, media liaison for the National Homeschool Association

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Okay, everyone wanted a grad to share something and now you don't care to hear or acknowledge it unless he's been home for 5 years.  Hey, make sure you tell him he was abused and didn't even know it.  That's your M.O., right?  "

"Everyone...now you..."

*I* have had the standard of someone being out for five years pretty much since I made my first assessment of the industry and noticed the similarities of *some* programs to various cults in the mind control techniques used.

So don't count me in that "everyone."

And don't presume to tell me my "M.O."  I don't tend to ask people, "were you abused?"  I tend to ask specific kinds of questions about the food, about the rules, about the frequency of applications of restraints and the reasons for application, about the punishments for rules violations, about the reasons for commitment, about whether or not escorts were used, about the home situation, about the kinds of treatment provided and the particular problems that were being treated, about the educational resources and instruction provided, about access to communication with the outside world, etc.

Not all residential treatment is bad.  Not all places that serve some patients/inmates badly serve *all* patients/inmates badly.  There are some problems for which residential treatment is appropriate and necessary.

My gripe with TBS's is not that they exist, my gripe is the lack of external oversight to prevent fraud, abuse, malpractice and neglect.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use

--Galileo Galilei

[Anonymous]

Please contact me at writerwo@aol.com.
 I am doing an investigation on these places.

[Anonymous]

"Again real people with real families and over 90 employees lost there jobs and reputations over these false allegations and are now being abused over and over again on forums such as this ?If you want truth here it is the only abuse we were aware of at Dundee was what has happened since the actions by Mr. Vargas and others"


Yeah!  We're helping stop the abuse!
its been true for at least a million years.  where there's smoke, there is fire.  Get real!

[Antigen]

False allegations? Where?

If All it takes is an infinite number of monkeys with type writers, then how come there's no Shakespeare coming out of AOL?
-- Anonymous

[Anonymous]

OK WASSSPIE...Can you tell me why Navin had to ship these kids off to a foreign land if it was not to get away from laws, taxes, and to have a more controling ability on the kids?
Also tell me why there is such a muddled paper trail where ever these LITCHFIELDS step?

CURIOUS in UT

[dan143]

Is this true about Jason Finlinson

[Antigen]

Is what true?

If you believe that people cannot be trusted to govern themselves,
then can they be trusted to govern others?
 
--Thomas Jefferson

[Anonymous]

I am a parent of a graduate of Casa by the Sea.  My daughter reads these things and shakes her head.   Did she come back perfect? No, she chose to live her own value system, credits the program for giving her the tools to make her own decisions, stay clean and sober and make something of her life.

I have been affiliated with the WWASP programs now for almost 2 years now, know hundreds of people associated with the program and have not heard any of these things first hand.   It is always someone, that knows someone that has a sister / brother....

Do I know people for whom the program did not wook.  Yes.    Do I know people that felt the child's needs could be met in different ways?  Yes.   Not once, and I have know people that were not happy with the program, have I heard any stories or accusations or abuse, no.

The young people that get sent to these programs have a history of lying and cheating to get drugs, money, whatever.  I know... that was my daughter.   Why believe them on face value?  Most of the ones speaking out now have failed the program.   They need to blame some one, any one, but themselves for failing yet again.   Unfortunately, so do the parents.

[Anonymous]

"Why believe them?"

Because, unlike you, WWASPie, they're telling the truth. You are brainwashed. You have lost the ability to tell what's true and what's not. You believe anything and everything The Program tells you. I don't believe The Program, and therefor, I don't believe you.

[Anonymous]

programs have a history of lying and cheating to get money, whatever. Why believe them on face value?~~

This is so true.

I hear accusations of abuse, rather than 'blaming for failures'. I don't think they consider their escape from abuse to be a 'failure', by any stretch of the imagination.

You have failed to notice, the over all concern is: DOES THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS??

Many don't believe so. That is not failure either.

You have failed to understand and address the issue correctly.

[Anonymous]

How exactly dose one "fail" the Program?

As for your daughter - thank God in Heaven she got out with little damage (if indeed such is the case) but don't for another moment think the allegations by the Failures are false.

You know lots of people who say the program worked - I know - I know all about it.
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http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/des ... esp1.shtml

All you Program Parents
Read this story. Read it carefully and completely; and note this: This mom insists The Program saved her child.
Think hard on the hows and whys and look deep into whats left of your own mind; and ask yourself - IS this Crazy or What?
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Then there is the famous Vanessa - a poster child for program success - who operates a  porn site featuring herself. I never actually took a look - but I know the BBS was aflame with it when it was first discovered.

And there is Tom. Everybody loves Tom. He is Such a good Program Parent - So supportive. So Tolerant. See if you can get him to tell you how his daughter is since her "graduation".

Look - your very simply a victim of group think. The group, to which you have become a part, says the Program is good and you should not question it. The group tells you the success rate is 90/99/98/% (pick a number) and you think it Must be so - the group says so. This group that has become such an important part of your life it is now largely who you are - a Program Parent.

When I tell you my son was Abused and Neglected, it is for you, a second hand story. But for me - its very close to home indeed.

These allegations are so persistent; so consistent; the credibility is not in question - except by the Programmed; who are so programmed they can no longer think for themselves at all.

[Anonymous]

how does a blind person see this?

how does a person with one eye see this?

how does a person with two eyes see this?

how does a color blind person see this?

how does someone with corrective lenses see this?

how does 20-20 vision see this?

how does someone with blinders on see this?


All a little different I suppose;

what's some don?t see doesn?t bother them.

what some do see does bother them.



Three years ago, prior to 9/11 if you would have told me that the twin towers were going to be hit by hijacked airplanes...i would have called you a liar as well.

Things change and always will, but there seems to be some consistencies coming out of these "programs".  i call it abusing children...you call it raising children

[Anonymous]

"I was scared out of my mind the whole time," said Tom Castellano, 16, of Seattle, who spent six weeks at the school in May and June. "I came out ... traumatized beyond belief." He said he believed supervisors caused the bruises or broken bones that he saw on some residents.

[Anonymous]

Of the news reports, they said only 4 of the 500 kids said they were being abused.  They were taken individually by the Mex government and of those 500, they had no reason to lie if they were really being abused.  No fear of losing points or priviledges, etc.  Why is that?

The San Diego police were there in SUPPORT of the transfer, standing WITH the parents and the volunteers.  Why is that?

This was not a surprise inspection, it looks like they were going to close it no matter what due to some political agenda.  We'll know more in the days to come.  They did, however, transport the kids to the border.  Why is that?

Tim Weiner again reported on what looks like a biased contact with one of those or more, on this board, without taking the time to report anything that even resembled the truth.  Why is that?