Author Topic: Hidden Lake Academy - ORS Reports (Read 16898 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #45 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:44:54 PM »

or Clay...

Anonymous · « **Reply #46 on:** July 28, 2009, 09:20:42 AM »

Quote from: "RobertBruce"

Who? Lee? Jim?

This would have to be Dave. He was there at the startup and I never heard that he left.

Anonymous · « **Reply #47 on:** July 28, 2009, 11:03:11 AM »

http://www.ridgecreek.org/rc-staff This needs to be up-dated...since Hollowhead is now with Aspen and Grimwood is gone. Odds are D.R. will be next... chop, chop. Look for Buccellato to start pumpiong up Ridge Creek/Mount Brook academically and every other way to ed cons...then, possibly one scenario, good-bye HLA come October, shift to Ridge Creek/ Mountain Brook with a dual license thanks to the ORS. Creekside shows no license with the ORS....

Anonymous · « **Reply #48 on:** July 28, 2009, 01:59:40 PM »

Lee is gone.

TheWho · « **Reply #49 on:** July 28, 2009, 07:40:53 PM »

Cultural changes need to occur from the “Top” down not from the “bottom” up. This has been argued many times here on fornits. If change is indeed going to be effective you need to clean house and institute the change with a new set of staff. This is assuming that the top person is truly bought into cultural change. It will be interesting to see how effective the changes are to customer satisfaction and ORS reports.

TheWho · « **Reply #50 on:** July 28, 2009, 08:29:07 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Cultural changes need to occur from the “Top” down not from the “bottom” up. This has been argued many times here on fornits. If change is indeed going to be effective you need to clean house and institute the change with a new set of staff. This is assuming that the top person is truly bought into cultural change. It will be interesting to see how effective the changes are to customer satisfaction and ORS reports.

Looking at the ORS reports from a purly volume perspective we have 3,000 pages generated from 2005 thru 2007. There have been less then 100 pages generated from 2007 thru 2009. So there has been a tremendous improvement in this area. I am not sure if this is due to the change in staff or that HLA is just taking a different direction. I havent heard from any parents from recent grads so I dont know if this has filtered down to effect customer satisfation or not.

RobertBruce · « **Reply #51 on:** July 28, 2009, 11:34:31 PM »

Or perhaps the licensure we forced on them.

Anonymous · « **Reply #52 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:10:39 AM »

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I am not sure if this is due to the change in staff or that HLA is just taking a different direction.

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Ah, change in staff? What staff? There is no staff. The staff numbers declined since 2005, staff were replaced by in-house staff, such as Stapp moved up to replace Cates. Also, teachers were replaced by in-house staff that did not even have degrees in the subject they ended up teaching, such as Kees DeVentes (Spiritual Co-ordinator). Many staff had a conflict with lying to the parents, so they quit, that included counselors. New young counselors out of school were hired such as Mya Martin, but when they wised up, they left. It took 7 months to replace the Special Ed. teacher, Marla - and that was only because parents found out there was no special ed teacher. Marla was not silenced immediately for nothing. It was no different than the nurse being fired, not having a replacement in line, Buccellato had office staff handing out meds... and, if one will notice, where did Joe Farrell and Martin Quirk of "Quirk and Quirk Lawfirm" go? Did that lawfirm walk to protect themselves...? Joe Farrell certainly spewed alot of lies for Buccellato (letters to ORS, answers to demand letters) over the years. All of a sudden, 'Quirk and Quirk' is gone, Joe Farrell is gone( remember all those cease and desist letters signed by the Lumpkin County Judge now retired ), Martin Quirk is not listed as "agent" on all Buccellato's property holdings , in walks another old friend Thornton Morris on all holdings... A different direction? Don't think so, because Buccellato may change his players, but they'll all share the same spots of those before them and that of their 'leader'... Innovative ways to mask the truth is far less reaching than expecting "change" or "taking a different direction" from this lot.

Troll Control · « **Reply #53 on:** July 29, 2009, 07:51:55 AM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "Guest"
Cultural changes need to occur from the “Top” down not from the “bottom” up. This has been argued many times here on fornits. If change is indeed going to be effective you need to clean house and institute the change with a new set of staff. This is assuming that the top person is truly bought into cultural change. It will be interesting to see how effective the changes are to customer satisfaction and ORS reports.

Looking at the ORS reports from a purly volume perspective we have 3,000 pages generated from 2005 thru 2007. There have been less then 100 pages generated from 2007 thru 2009. So there has been a tremendous improvement in this area. I am not sure if this is due to the change in staff or that HLA is just taking a different direction. I havent heard from any parents from recent grads so I dont know if this has filtered down to effect customer satisfation or not.

:roflmao: :roflmao: :beat: :beat:

100 pages? You obviously haven't requested this information or read any of it.

Let me clue you in on something: what is posted on the ORS website for public viewing is only +/- 5% of the total documents about HLA. You have to request the documents under GA FOIA and pay the fee to get the whole file.

If, as you say, there are 100 pages posted, you are looking at more like 2000 pages in the case file.

This is the same garbage you were peddling from 2005-2009. "HLA is improving" etc, etc etc. But, in reality, HLA was getting worse and worse, as it is now. It still has all of the same issues, only there is virtually no staff left to oversee the facility. HLA is like "Lord of the Flies" now more than ever.

I expect HLA to blink out very soon, as this path is clearly unsustainable.

Nice try, but you are once more grossly misinforming readers.

TheWho · « **Reply #54 on:** July 29, 2009, 05:06:52 PM »

I haven’t seen any proof that the ORS only posts 5% of their documents (and not sure where this would come from) but for the sake of argument lets just say they do. Lets just say you are right and we only see 5% of the reports. From 2007 to last Friday The Ors has accumulated 16 pages on HLA . That would mean we are not seeing 304 pages. So in total that would make 320 pages. That is a huge step down from 3,000 over the same time period. So we can see that there is a tremendous improvement in this area.

ORS Reports 2007 - Present

Troll Control · « **Reply #55 on:** July 29, 2009, 05:20:43 PM »

Epic fail. These are only inspection reports. These have nothing to do with incident reports.

Pay the fee, get the docs and then opine about "improvement." What you are seeing in the link you provided are only reports from mandatory inspections which only cover plant deficiencies (like bad plumbing, etc.) and mandatory record-keeping. This is only the tip of the iceburg.

You are trying to sell an apples-to-oranges comparison. Show the incident reports.

RobertBruce · « **Reply #56 on:** July 29, 2009, 05:21:09 PM »

Based on what? What are you comparing it to?

TheWho · « **Reply #57 on:** July 29, 2009, 05:33:39 PM »

5% of 320 pages equals 16 pages. So there have been 304 pages of incident reports over the past 2 years compared with 3,000 pages over the previous 2 years.
Either way you cut it there is some evidence that the place is coming around. Maybe they will go under but at least we can see that the incidences have dropped off tremendously and they are starting to put an effort in to reduce them.

Troll Control · « **Reply #58 on:** July 29, 2009, 05:34:11 PM »

What I said was that TheWho tried to compare inspection reports to incident reports. These are two totally different things and only inspection reports are posted online. He's trying to sell inspection reports as a complete picture, which tells me he has never seen HLA's file.

Anyway, if you look at the inspection reports he lnked to, they show that HLA fails to meet legal requirements in 50-70% of the inspected items ranging from the safety of the environment to staff training. The reports say that several employees were allowed to work with the kids with ZERO training and that the facilty is unsafe.

Totally untrained people are working with your kids in an unsafe environment, parents. Read the inspection reports. And after you digest those, request HLA's FULL file. This will turn your stomach.

Troll Control · « **Reply #59 on:** July 29, 2009, 05:37:27 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

5% of 320 pages equals 16 pages. So there have been 304 pages of incident reports over the past 2 years compared with 3,000 pages over the previous 2 years.
Either way you cut it there is some evidence that the place is coming around. Maybe they will go under but at least we can see that the incidences have dropped off tremendously and they are starting to put an effort in to reduce them.

Noooooo....no, no, no. This staement is 100% false. Inspection reports are what you looked at, Whooter, not INCIDENT reports. You haven't seen a single incident report. Stop trying to say inspection reports are incident reports. It's an obvious lie used as a premise by which anyone can invalidate your conclusion.

What happened to keeping it honest?? You are not honest, by any stretch.

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