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« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2007, 01:30:37 AM »
This Bill is Garbage anyway. I am going to take some time and
re-write it!! Any suggestions are welcome!
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« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2007, 02:34:00 AM »
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This board is overflowing with completely insane rumor and nasty innuendo, such as suggestions that Miller is co-opted and that some extremely dedicated activists who have never had industry ties have been co-opted (or somehow were responsible for a delay in the hearings that was actually very short and completely due to other factors) and with completely uninformed speculation about the intent of Miller vis a vis survivors that has no basis in reality.

There is *strategy* to legislation and legislative hearings-- and one of the smart kinds of strategy is not to play your whole hand all at once.  One hearing is not the whole deal.  Those who testify now are probably not the only ones who will have the opportunity.

Second, the existing version of the bill was written while the Republicans controlled Congress as a compromise.  here's a hint: the Republicans no longer control Congress. NATSAP is scared because they know Miller wants *federal* regulation and only deferred to the states because his party was not in power.

And the GAO is not stupid.  Any look at their prior investigations of industries and scientific claims that the government would have preferred to suppress suggests that they don't fall for nonsense.

Please stop the infighting and do not judge what is going on until you actually know the facts from the inside.

Of course, the actual legislation may ultimately disappoint as with everything in government-- but people here have some really bizarre ideas that have serious potential to hinder their chances of effectively promoting their own cause.


*YAWN*...you finished, CAFETY-ite?  "Infighting" is a word you guys kick around a lot, but you aren't "in" - You've got a board member who's tight with Isabelle Zehnder and her business associate, Sue Scheff.  The guy would not end his involvement with CAICA and became defensive when his ego got a boot print on it.  CAFETY should have ejected him, but maintained an icy silence, despite "discussions" in private.  What was the final decision?  At this point, no one cares.

Forntis is a "cult" anyway, according to a CAFETY board member.  At that point it became clear CAFETY was like a beast thrown in a sawdust pit to fight for its life.  CAFETY became a liability and an embarrassment to organizations they worked with - organizations that expected CAFETY to be wise in creating it's own affiliations.  CAFETY let a lot of people down, go to the CAFETY site and check out an internet ghost town.  Discredited, disrespected, viewed as spineless whiners who became nasty and bitchy when they couldn't offer an explanation or a corrective action.

A START seems unaware of CAFETY's near total lack of supporters - I guess it's becoming clear enough, since the Wiki request for survivor stories is getting an icy response.  One CAFETY board member is probably doing the same whining he did on their forum - "Isn't anyone going to RESPOND to this?"  
 
I hope people are sending their stories in directly and bypassing the CAFETY middle-man.  A middle-man is all CAFETY was, even when the group mattered.  They're still stuck in the middle, dead in the water, incapable of moving forward or backward...whining, pleading, arrogantly demanding that everyone jump back on the boat and row for them.
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« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2007, 02:53:23 AM »
This invitation to send in a parent or survivor statement was  received by email. It clearly stated that this invitation would not be posted on Fornits.
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« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2007, 02:58:13 AM »
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This invitation to send in a parent or survivor statement was  received by email. It clearly stated that this invitation would not be posted on Fornits.


Unfortunately for you, everything gets posted on Fornits anyway.
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« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2007, 01:56:29 PM »
Full Committee and Subcommittee Schedule

Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Full Committee

Hearing on "Cases of Child Neglect and Abuse at Private Residential Treatment Facilities," scheduled at 10:30 a.m. in room 2175 Rayburn H.O.B.

Witnesses:

Greg Kutz
Managing Director
Forensic Audits and Special Investigations
Government Accountability Office

Cynthia Harvey
Mother of Child Victim

Bob Bacon
Father of Child Victim

Paul Lewis
Father of Child Victim

Allison Pinto
Research Psychologist &
Assistant Research Professor
Louis de la Parte Florida Medical Health Institute
University of South Florida

Jan Moss
Executive Director
National Association of
Therapeutic Schools and Programs
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personal statements to congress
« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2007, 05:44:00 PM »
Another way to get your personal statement on record is to email the committee directly... attach a word document if you'd like.
Please don't throw in the towel, have your voice heard!
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live hearing - WEBCAST
« Reply #66 on: October 09, 2007, 05:51:46 PM »
If you would like to see the hearing live... go to http://edlabor.house.gov/committee/schedule.shtml and click on live webcast during hearing.
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« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2007, 07:15:14 PM »
Quote from: ""Pitbull Mom""
Full Committee and Subcommittee Schedule

Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Full Committee

Hearing on "Cases of Child Neglect and Abuse at Private Residential Treatment Facilities," scheduled at 10:30 a.m. in room 2175 Rayburn H.O.B.

Witnesses:

Greg Kutz
Managing Director
Forensic Audits and Special Investigations
Government Accountability Office

Cynthia Harvey
Mother of Child Victim

Bob Bacon
Father of Child Victim

Paul Lewis
Father of Child Victim

Allison Pinto
Research Psychologist &
Assistant Research Professor
Louis de la Parte Florida Medical Health Institute
University of South Florida

Jan Moss
Executive Director
National Association of
Therapeutic Schools and Programs


MOTHER FUCKER!  I knew it . Oh why am I so not fucking surprised.  No survivors.... And goddamned NATSAP is testifying to.  I think i'm going to be sick.
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« Reply #68 on: October 09, 2007, 07:25:23 PM »
Well - it does suck, especially for the parents who have to put up with the b.s. from Natsap who clearly will attempt to minimize the impact of these deaths by claiming they all happened in "rogue" programs which simply isn't true.  Catherine Freer has had 3 deaths and is still open.  So is Ayne Institute/Aldredge Academy and Obsidian Trails.  

I heard the parents, Pinto and Natsap each get 5 minutes.  Not sure about the GAO, I would imagine much longer time will be allocated given this dude is reporting on an investigation which is fairly far reaching.

Surely the committee could have spared an additional 30 minutes for 6 survivors to represent a cross section of programs and institutionalized child abuse.

The good news the media frenzy is already started - so please don't lose heart.  Send your statements to Congress and contact the media to get your voice heard.

It's also good that Maia Szalavitz is making the rounds on the media circuit, as are the parents who testified. The ripple effect will be like a tidal wave!
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« Reply #69 on: October 09, 2007, 07:36:50 PM »
I expect this to be completely lost in the wake of Hillary bashing and Rush Limbaugh's phony soldier comments, as well as other nonsense by most of the voters in this Country.

BTW, I almost typed that as "Company"... and the USA is pretty quickly turning into one, isn't it?

 :( I just have basically ZIP faith in anything happening.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #70 on: October 09, 2007, 07:56:49 PM »
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Pitbull Mom""
Full Committee and Subcommittee Schedule

Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Full Committee

Hearing on "Cases of Child Neglect and Abuse at Private Residential Treatment Facilities," scheduled at 10:30 a.m. in room 2175 Rayburn H.O.B.

Witnesses:

Greg Kutz
Managing Director
Forensic Audits and Special Investigations
Government Accountability Office

Cynthia Harvey
Mother of Child Victim

Bob Bacon
Father of Child Victim

Paul Lewis
Father of Child Victim

Allison Pinto
Research Psychologist &
Assistant Research Professor
Louis de la Parte Florida Medical Health Institute
University of South Florida

Jan Moss
Executive Director
National Association of
Therapeutic Schools and Programs

MOTHER FUCKER!  I knew it . Oh why am I so not fucking surprised.  No survivors.... And goddamned NATSAP is testifying to.  I think i'm going to be sick.


Why is everyone so surprised about this?  Who would you expect to represent the TBS industry?  NATSAP is the only one fighting for regulation, improvement in the therapeutic industry, they have formed a committee and have started regulation on their own.  Any decisions that are made at this hear (or as a result of this hearing) are going to directly effect them and the children they care for.  They should be the firsts ones invited because they will be the ones enforcing any rules or changes in the industry and can best speak to its potential impact ot viability.
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« Reply #71 on: October 09, 2007, 07:58:43 PM »
Wouldn't it be nice if anyone here actually believed that gallon of liquefied horseshit?

The committee is going to watch NATSAP fall all over itself struggling to defend these shitholes and will immediately realize its mistake of inviting them. Congressmen are foul and manipulative, not stupid, and they know more of manipulation than most Fornits members. NATSAP doesn't stand a chance.
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« Reply #72 on: October 09, 2007, 08:07:20 PM »
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Wouldn't it be nice if anyone here actually believed that gallon of liquefied horseshit?

The committee is going to watch NATSAP fall all over itself struggling to defend these shitholes and will immediately realize its mistake of inviting them. Congressmen are foul and manipulative, not stupid, and they know more of manipulation than most Fornits members. NATSAP doesn't stand a chance.


NATSAP isnt going to defend any shithole..... I think many will be surprised......

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« Reply #73 on: October 09, 2007, 08:10:44 PM »
QFTing. Like Who really needs proving wrong at this point.

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NATSAP isnt going to defend any shithole..... I think many will be surprised......



/r/ full transcript to be posted on Fornits.
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« Reply #74 on: October 09, 2007, 08:22:59 PM »
Natsap will probably claim to have thousands of happy campers, but in the face of those wilderness therapy deaths which were ALL PREVENTABLE, and the GAO's investigation, Natsap will have to concede that self-regulation sure ain't the answer.

Nice try though Who - must be lonely sitting there all by yourself on the wrong side of the issue.

Alas, some people just can't wake up to the truth that the private teen torment industry shouldn't be regulated - it should be abolished in favor of spending money for community based mental health services.

Buh-Bye, Natsap!
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