Deb, the "right" of anyone to a land comes down to if they have the power to take and hold it, and defend it from others who want it.
Period. That is "Soverignty". Right now, we're not soverign over our border with mexico. That's not a good thing!
I don't really give a damn about any sort of moral/ethical arguement towards anyone owning land, and nativity does not matter. There are NO groups occupying any land on earth right now that did not take it from a group that came before them, period!
Why are mexicans coming to Florida? They're native MEXICANS. The seminoles if they still exist have the actual right to florida, but not only are they not speaking up, I wonder how hard it is for some wetback to fight the smirk when he says that when he realizes there are people with a pre-white-man claim to the land already who have a more compelling arguement than he does.
But at any rate, thats all it really amounts to! Americans were fighting eachother and conquering and enslaving and whatever the hell else for centuries before westerners came. So the right to a land comes down to who had it last before whitie showed up? :rofl:
I know jobs are flying away! I had to yell for 3 hours at various indian people that the PHONE LINE IS LYING ON THE GROUND I CANT RESET MY FUCKING MODEM, over a cellphone, becuase a truck pulled it off the utility pole outside my house.
Fun times. Apparently Indians are trained that all americans are retarded and all problems can be solved by turning something off then on again. Woo hoo.
Nor do I blame the immigrants for what they are doing. They're out to help themselves in their own best interest. Why the hell shouldnt this nation and by extension myself do the same? The world is still competetive... it isn't a zero-sum-game, but its not a cornucopia either.
Regardless, the way I see it, why should I accomidate some immigrants that woudln't even have me over for dinner?
You're right, business wants cheap labor, no benefits, and the mexicans actually get a decent wage when you take into account they pay no taxes an do not have to spend their wages on the premiums/fees/whatnot for their employer benefits. Obviously that is a concern...
... but why is an arguement of "don't scapegoat some poor people out to help themselves, its what you would do in their position" somehow in your mind an excuse to keep the border wide freaking open and porous, and somehow think that we're morally obligated to bend over backwards for mexico? WE ARE.
Almost every other nation on earth actually has a border they make efforts to secure, be it immigration, smuggling, or... whatever! And anyone crossing illegally for any reason is likely to have someone with a rifle show up and say freeze.. why are mexicans getting an exception? Because enough of them just want to move here, work here, take our money and vote in mexican elections everyone else who wants to smuggle or funnel in slaves to farms and the sex industry is free to do so as well? There's no reason not to secure our own god damn border.
I'm not out to 'blame the mexicans' for our problems but on the same note thats hardly a justification for doing nothing about the influx of mexicans or the border we have that is about as secured as a wet tissue paper.
And to reiterate, I know damn well this war in iraq is stupid and Chomsky's whole "state capitalism" stuff is getting the last laugh with our levithan of a military-industrial complex (er, halliburton) and there are a lot of things the government just throws as chaff to distract people, such as gay marriage or prayer in schools. I'm not a republican or a right winger on much at all except I'm right handed and support weapons ownership of private individuals.
But yeah, the tl;dr is "Stop blaming the mexicans" doesn't excuse our porous border or excuse the fact that we have no control over how many are swarming in, and we should have control over that to manage it for our own benefit, but turning the arguement around and blaming it all on whitey does nothing except keep the border as spread open as the $2 whore it is, while more people flood in.
I also like how you don't even react to the fact that millions of culturally remote people living among us in their own little communities is going to lead to instability and clashes in the future. :roll: Unless you think blaming the non-hispanic caucasions when that inevitably happens will make it all better?
But hey, lets do it your way! Lets have a wide open border and just hold the big bad businesses accountable. Watch and be wowed as the jobless mexicans... don't go anywhere and their children grow up resenting us! Yippe! History doesn't repeat itself, hell no!
I bet you think the Turks and North Africans in Europe will also quietly assimilate, right? :rofl:
