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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2006, 11:55:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-22 10:43:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"AA, did you happen to catch where this pos(t)er claimed to be a "mental health professional"?



Must be some kind of joke.
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In all fairness, the post says "health professional" not "mental health professional." That widens the field a bit, doesn't it?

Quite frankly, though, it does not surprise me that the same person who falls for the troubled teen industry scam would buy into the whole regression therapy, past life, alien abduction, recovered memories scam. I bet the pos(t)er could recommend a good psychic or astrologer, too.

Oh, and:
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Wilderness and a therapeutic boarding school is a last resort, but when you have a kid who is running away, or staying out all night, or selling and using drugs, or is so promiscuous, or getting DUIs and might kill themselves...

What do they do, cut and paste this line?
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2006, 10:42:00 AM »
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Your insight is bang on. People who believe a "therapeutic" sales pitch, that offers microwave fast results and questionable techniques, tend to ignore logical reasoning and scientific evidence. If these parents decided to face reality, they would have to concentrate on weeding their own backyard. Parents who are program industry defenders rationalize avoidance, rather than examining the hard, cold facts.
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2006, 04:40:00 PM »
One of the saddest things about Program Parents is that they think what they're doing is okay because the other Program Parents in their support group tell them so.  They think they're doing the most profound act of love because the other Program Parents in their support group tell them so.

No matter who you are or what you do, the other people who do it are almost always willing to tell you what a great guy or gal you are.

The Atlanta House of Prayer parents who beat their kids told each other the same things.

Enron execs almost certainly told each other the same things---why what they were doing was right.

NAMBLA tells their members the same things.

Al Qaeda tells their members the same things.

People can rationalize anything.  People can rationalize truly monstrous things as morally obligatory and, "The only right thing to do!"

Read Dale Carnegie's _How to Win Friends and Influence People_.  He says it nicely--that almost everyone alive or who has ever lived, from the guy next door to Hitler, thinks of himself as a good person who's doing the best he can do.

Including picking a "solution" that doesn't work, that's been proven not to work, just because they believe they've tried everything else and had it not work.

It's like using the rhythm method for contraception because you already tried condoms and the pill and a diaphragm and kept getting pregnant.

But hey, a Program *does* get the Program Parents' pain in the ass teen out of the house for long enough that the parents can keep him/her out of the house forever if the teen doesn't quit being a pain in the ass.

It solves the problem of having to live under the same roof with a pain in the ass teen---solves that problem overnight.

Feel (appropriately) bad about selfishly abandoning your responsibilities like that, just because the going got really tough?  That's okay, we've got loads of parents just like you and if you all tell each other what great folks you are for doing this, pretty soon you won't even feel guilty anymore.  Hey, and you're throwing so much cash at it that you can tell yourself you're spending the kid's college fund for the kid, instead of just to make your own home life tranquil.

Guilt money isn't pretty when divorced daddies or Lexus mommies lavish expensive toys and clothes and cars on the kid to make up for never spending any time with him/her.  Guilt money doesn't get any prettier when it's paid to make the parents feel better about kicking their kid out of the house at fifteen.

Julie
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2006, 07:49:00 PM »
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One of the saddest things about Program Parents is that they think what they're doing is okay because the other Program Parents in their support group tell them so. They think they're doing the most profound act of love because the other Program Parents in their support group tell them so.


Once again, spot on commentary, Julie.
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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2006, 10:50:00 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2006, 11:00:00 AM »
http://www.bluemeat.com/paranoia/info.html

The Program is your friend.  You know this because the Program tells you so.  All students in the Program are happy.  Failure to be happy is a Cat 4 offense.  You are happy, aren't you?  We thought so.

The Program has selected you to be a Level 2.  Being a Level 2 is fun!  You know this because the Program tells you so.  It is your job as a Level 2 to report all the offenses of Level 1's or other Level 2's of which you become aware, including your own.  Failure to report offenses is a Cat 4 offense.  You know this because the Program tells you so.

The Program is your friend.  Trust the Program.

Having secret thoughts of sadness is a Cat 4 offense.  You have secret thoughts of sadness that you have not reported.  Failure to report these secrets is a Cat 4 offense.  This morning, you saw a Level 1 frowning.  You are afraid that he saw you frowning.  Perhaps if you report him before he reports you, the Program will believe you instead of him.  You will gain approval from the Program for reporting his offenses and the offenses of others.  You must only report true offenses--not that anyone can stop you from making a few up.  Isn't this fun!

Level 1's and Level 3 and 4's, not to mention other Level 2's, will be eager to report you for any offenses you commit.  Some of them will make a few offenses up to gain approval from the Program.

The Program is your friend.

Trust no one.  Keep your laser handy.

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Isn't this fun?

Julie
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2006, 12:18:00 PM »
Wow... that takes me back, and not in a good way! I forgot how we all referred to ourselves by our 'progess' or level we were on, and who we could or could not associate with based on that. Not to mention the structure of the program is to pit students against one another. Not a fun time.
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2006, 10:22:00 PM »
you people need to stop chewing on your cum rags and grow up, please.
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« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2006, 05:11:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-31 19:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you people need to stop chewing on your cum rags and grow up, please."


Well, well. Aren't we mature. :wstupid:
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2006, 12:59:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-26 08:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"http://www.bluemeat.com/paranoia/info.html



The Program is your friend.  You know this because the Program tells you so.  All students in the Program are happy.  Failure to be happy is a Cat 4 offense.  You are happy, aren't you?  We thought so.



The Program has selected you to be a Level 2.  Being a Level 2 is fun!  You know this because the Program tells you so.  It is your job as a Level 2 to report all the offenses of Level 1's or other Level 2's of which you become aware, including your own.  Failure to report offenses is a Cat 4 offense.  You know this because the Program tells you so.



The Program is your friend.  Trust the Program.



Having secret thoughts of sadness is a Cat 4 offense.  You have secret thoughts of sadness that you have not reported.  Failure to report these secrets is a Cat 4 offense.  This morning, you saw a Level 1 frowning.  You are afraid that he saw you frowning.  Perhaps if you report him before he reports you, the Program will believe you instead of him.  You will gain approval from the Program for reporting his offenses and the offenses of others.  You must only report true offenses--not that anyone can stop you from making a few up.  Isn't this fun!



Level 1's and Level 3 and 4's, not to mention other Level 2's, will be eager to report you for any offenses you commit.  Some of them will make a few offenses up to gain approval from the Program.



The Program is your friend.



Trust no one.  Keep your laser handy.



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Isn't this fun?



Julie"


Wow Jules, that was amazing. That took me there babes! I don't know how you did that, but that was intense!!! So true, so true! What's with the line "keep your laser handy"? I am just curious?
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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2006, 08:09:00 PM »
If you are indeed a professional with knowledge about psychiatry  - then you must be aware of the professional reports and studies that show "break em down - build em up" programs do not work at all. Tough love must not be synonomous with torture.
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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2006, 09:09:37 AM »
Wow. I can't believe I missed this old thread's Paranoia references. As a Paranoia player I see the resemblances, some of which are damn strong, but strongly resent the comparison.

Paranoia is fun. Programs aren't.

Abusing Junior Citizens is TREASON, citizen.
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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2006, 12:59:55 AM »
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Mose- I am sorry to hear about that young man's death. I can imagine how much it has upset your daughter.
Unfortunately, even getting the best help possible for your teen might not be enough. One of my son's peers from his TBS killed himself the other day. My son is pretty disturbed about it. The boy completed the TBS program and was in college. This was a kid smart and clever enough to import drugs packed in peanut butter (hollowed out jars) to his prep boarding school in Ohio. He got kicked out and went to wilderness and the TBS. While at the TBS he revealed some truly horrible things that had happened to him as an adolescent that the parents didn't know about UNTIL the TBS stay. It is all so sad and I thank God every day that-for now- my kids are safe and healthy.
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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2006, 02:24:55 AM »
Yeah too bad the kid didn't get the help he needed, instead to be pushed through some prep school wannabe for profit bullshit. How many kids need to die before parents get it?
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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2011, 11:42:06 PM »
Anybody interested in Carlbrook please visit the site http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121154957908461. It is a public facebook forum that discusses Carlbrook and in which people are not anonymous, thus seeks to eliminate some of the more colorful and less productive aspects trends that occur on this one. If anybody is interested in documenting what went on at Carlbrook and taking it beyond the internet (not necessarily to the courts but gaining more legitimacy for our concern) I am attempting to collect sworn affidavits about the events that went on that aim to capture the truth. If you have told the truth you can use the accounts you've already made on this site and have them notarized. It is relatively easy to do this at a bank. Collecting affidavits of what went on there is important because obviously the extreme level of discontent coupled with severity and volume of accusations merits at least some sort of review by a state agency, the courts, or a specialist in mediation/arbitration. Tell the truth and don't exaggerate in any affidavits or you will be subject to perjury. You are also potentially sacrificing anonymity. You can either post your account on the facebook website or you can send it to my e-mail, crobb@gwu.edu. I personally am glad that I went to Carlbrook in the long run. Less because of what Carlbrook did but because I did need a change of environment. There are good people there and it saddens me that their employment may be threatened by irresponsible and reckless decisions of their superiors. I do honestly believe every single person, aside from maybe one or two was convinced that they were helping us. However, this issue is bigger then whether you liked Carlbrook or the people there. This is about what is acceptable to do to people, no matter what they have done, against their will. This is about the type of breakdown that happens in many organizations that suffer from a closed, secretive management. There were several things that were unacceptable, regardless of your experience.
What was unacceptable was that Grant Price and others who ran groups and made explicitly "therapeutic decisions" has no formal training, education or certification to be providing mental health services (which is exactly what running a group therapy is doing). Carlbrook is not held to any standards in the provision of such services and that is a problem. There are a reason standards and regulations exist in this field (even if they have problems of their own). I think even those who cherished the experience realize that a lot of what went on was not OK and though intentions may not have been malicious by any party, kids were hurt and traumatized by the purposely constructed environment of acute stress and anxiety. Even if you could "take it" some couldn't. People are different. A one size fits all approach of breaking people down and building their identity back up may be useful in forming a cohesive military unit but it is not in treating kids for problems that in many instances are related to stress and anxiety in the first place. Creating an environment with the level of intensity and stress that Carlbrook did obviously will have different effects on different types of people. The degree of emotional invasiveness can also not be underestimated. Forcing people to disclose things they don't want to is simply unethical. Plain and simple. I see this as not an issue of whether or not you liked Carlbrook or certain people there. I see this as an issue of Carlbrook making egregious and harmful administrative errors and being held accountable like any other organization that provided you sub-standard services. If Johnson & Johnson sells defective Tylenol, like they did, they are held to account. Carlbrook purposely humiliated kids, engaged in arbitrary and bizarre punishment and the therapeutic relationships and incentives are certainly highly unethical if not illegal. I would like to know for certain if they are and what potential damage might have been inflicted. I would like to know if Carlbrook gave kids Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome which is a condition that worsens with age. I personally am not OK with so much of what went on at Carlbrook and think that a lack of accountability for past events or sweeping what happened "under the rug" would set a terrible precedent and would only encourage others to provide even worse services to kids. Carlbrook is attempting to legitimize and dilute a form of treatment that has been roundly rejected by medical professionals, the courts, and state agencies. Please join me in writing and notarizing an affidavit.
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